ID Italian guns

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Mar 2016 10:07

Hi all,

Can somebody identify these guns ? According to photocaption 25mm guns ?? :? Prototypes ?? Date ??

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by fert » 17 Mar 2016 13:45

Hello,
again experimental navy mount from oto for the 25mm Vickers
vick.jpg
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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by schwarzermai » 20 Mar 2016 09:54

Dili wrote:gun is an 105/28
Hello

how to read the designation:

105 = 105 mm

but for what stand the 28 for? Kaliberlänge? Rohrlänge? or soemthing different?

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Mar 2016 12:36

Yes, It is the lenght of the barrel in calibers....

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by schwarzermai » 20 Mar 2016 12:53

thank you Sturm!
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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by vladalex » 20 Mar 2016 16:44

Sorry for intervention,
Till 25 mm (2,5 cm for germans) is not a AA gun.
It is a " schwere machinegewehr"
In generally, if we talk, a gun start to a 75 mm caliber (for AA and naval range).
The calibers goes quickly down to 20 mm after the second world war, when the marketing
policy made from " no-name company" in guns -field by making not signoficant changes of
the barrels diameters, is mainly for the reason of entering to the market of "bigs"


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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by schwarzermai » 25 May 2016 12:23

Hello

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any idea which italian 19,4 cm Kanone was used in 4./Fest. Art. Abt. 1524?

maybe french captured gun 486 (f)?

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by fert » 25 May 2016 14:54

Hello,
Italy had 12 guns 194/29 mod 70/93 (ex French 194 mm TAz Mle. 1870/93 ALVF) recived after the France surrender.

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by jopaerya » 25 May 2016 18:25

Two 194/32 were captured fur sure by the Italians http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=193757

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by Manuferey » 26 May 2016 01:08

Jos,

I don't think the Italians captured these two 194/32 guns. The guns were most probably handed over after the June 40 armistice as were the railway guns. :idea:

Separately, I am skeptical that the Germans would identify the 19,4 cm K486(f) as of Italian origin with an "i" instead of the French origin.

Other possibilities could be:
- a typo where we should read 14,9 cm (i) instead
- a 19 cm coastal gun (190/39 or 190/42) (see here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=196476 & here http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNAust_75-42_Skoda.htm). Was the actual caliber 194 mm ? :?

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by Dili » 26 May 2016 19:35

No it was not 194mm.
I can only guess that someone know that they received the guns from Italians and just went putting the "i" in the document.

Manuferey is right that the guns were not captured in combat.

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by jopaerya » 28 May 2016 08:58

Oke , here some picture's from the gun found in Ficulle ( Italy )

Photo's = Panzerwrecks 13 and internet

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by schwarzermai » 29 May 2016 13:14

Hello - thanks for your help! so i think it were 19,4 cm K 486(f) from italy in bodenständgem Einsatz at Westwall

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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by Sturm78 » 05 Jun 2016 20:03

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay.
The barrel is an 305mm Obice da 305-17 but....the carriage and the wheels seems different to the standard. Any idea ??
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Re: ID Italian guns

Post by Dili » 05 Jun 2016 22:05

Maybe the wheels of a siege mount being applied.

It appears a bit different than the Garrone siege mount http://www.italie1935-45.com/forum/view ... =34&t=3203

You can see here the Di Stefano mount: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/305/17

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