ID Italian guns
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Hi all,
Can somebody identify these guns ? According to photocaption 25mm guns ?? Prototypes ?? Date ??
Image from OTO Archive
Sturm78
Can somebody identify these guns ? According to photocaption 25mm guns ?? Prototypes ?? Date ??
Image from OTO Archive
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Re: ID Italian guns
Hello,
again experimental navy mount from oto for the 25mm Vickers regards
again experimental navy mount from oto for the 25mm Vickers regards
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Re: ID Italian guns
HelloDili wrote:gun is an 105/28
how to read the designation:
105 = 105 mm
but for what stand the 28 for? Kaliberlänge? Rohrlänge? or soemthing different?
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Re: ID Italian guns
Yes, It is the lenght of the barrel in calibers....
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thank you Sturm!
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Re: ID Italian guns
Sorry for intervention,
Till 25 mm (2,5 cm for germans) is not a AA gun.
It is a " schwere machinegewehr"
In generally, if we talk, a gun start to a 75 mm caliber (for AA and naval range).
The calibers goes quickly down to 20 mm after the second world war, when the marketing
policy made from " no-name company" in guns -field by making not signoficant changes of
the barrels diameters, is mainly for the reason of entering to the market of "bigs"
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Till 25 mm (2,5 cm for germans) is not a AA gun.
It is a " schwere machinegewehr"
In generally, if we talk, a gun start to a 75 mm caliber (for AA and naval range).
The calibers goes quickly down to 20 mm after the second world war, when the marketing
policy made from " no-name company" in guns -field by making not signoficant changes of
the barrels diameters, is mainly for the reason of entering to the market of "bigs"
Regards,
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Re: ID Italian guns
Hello
any idea which italian 19,4 cm Kanone was used in 4./Fest. Art. Abt. 1524?
maybe french captured gun 486 (f)?
thanks uwe
any idea which italian 19,4 cm Kanone was used in 4./Fest. Art. Abt. 1524?
maybe french captured gun 486 (f)?
thanks uwe
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Hello,
Italy had 12 guns 194/29 mod 70/93 (ex French 194 mm TAz Mle. 1870/93 ALVF) recived after the France surrender.
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Italy had 12 guns 194/29 mod 70/93 (ex French 194 mm TAz Mle. 1870/93 ALVF) recived after the France surrender.
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Two 194/32 were captured fur sure by the Italians http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=193757
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Re: ID Italian guns
Jos,
I don't think the Italians captured these two 194/32 guns. The guns were most probably handed over after the June 40 armistice as were the railway guns.
Separately, I am skeptical that the Germans would identify the 19,4 cm K486(f) as of Italian origin with an "i" instead of the French origin.
Other possibilities could be:
- a typo where we should read 14,9 cm (i) instead
- a 19 cm coastal gun (190/39 or 190/42) (see here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=196476 & here http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNAust_75-42_Skoda.htm). Was the actual caliber 194 mm ?
Emmanuel
I don't think the Italians captured these two 194/32 guns. The guns were most probably handed over after the June 40 armistice as were the railway guns.
Separately, I am skeptical that the Germans would identify the 19,4 cm K486(f) as of Italian origin with an "i" instead of the French origin.
Other possibilities could be:
- a typo where we should read 14,9 cm (i) instead
- a 19 cm coastal gun (190/39 or 190/42) (see here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=196476 & here http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNAust_75-42_Skoda.htm). Was the actual caliber 194 mm ?
Emmanuel
Re: ID Italian guns
No it was not 194mm.
I can only guess that someone know that they received the guns from Italians and just went putting the "i" in the document.
Manuferey is right that the guns were not captured in combat.
I can only guess that someone know that they received the guns from Italians and just went putting the "i" in the document.
Manuferey is right that the guns were not captured in combat.
Re: ID Italian guns
Oke , here some picture's from the gun found in Ficulle ( Italy )
Photo's = Panzerwrecks 13 and internet
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Photo's = Panzerwrecks 13 and internet
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Re: ID Italian guns
Hello - thanks for your help! so i think it were 19,4 cm K 486(f) from italy in bodenständgem Einsatz at Westwall
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Hi all,
I found this image on Ebay.
The barrel is an 305mm Obice da 305-17 but....the carriage and the wheels seems different to the standard. Any idea ??
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I found this image on Ebay.
The barrel is an 305mm Obice da 305-17 but....the carriage and the wheels seems different to the standard. Any idea ??
Sturm78
Re: ID Italian guns
Maybe the wheels of a siege mount being applied.
It appears a bit different than the Garrone siege mount http://www.italie1935-45.com/forum/view ... =34&t=3203
You can see here the Di Stefano mount: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/305/17
It appears a bit different than the Garrone siege mount http://www.italie1935-45.com/forum/view ... =34&t=3203
You can see here the Di Stefano mount: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/305/17