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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by der bunkermann » 24 Jun 2012 19:01

hi wim, looks nice!
Maybe use another texture for the steel part on top of the wooden pole? Now it looks the same as concrete.
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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by der bunkermann » 28 Jun 2012 21:34

here another local design:
the entgiftungsbunker.

for now i found it from stp. gr. zandvoort to stp. gr. texel.
we found several with a kessel for hot water.
with entgiftungsbunker there was allway a separate entrance en exit.
in one of the bunkers we found in the left entrance a piece of cardboard with part of the inventory of the bunker:
schlussel
wassereimer
handtucher
satz waffenentgiftungsmittel
satz waffenentgiftungsmittel in taschenbehalter
T entgiftungsmittel ?

so in that case probably the left entrance was the entrance?

one example even had a well with pump inside
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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by jopaerya » 29 Jun 2012 16:37

Very nice Tim

Would be very nice to have a book like Kuver bunkers but then from this type of buildings 8-)
with function and places were these bunkers have been build .

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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by der bunkermann » 29 Jun 2012 21:36

Hi Jos, would indeed be nice
But first i would like someone to find a typenheft somewhere with the typenumbers :D
these bunkers are built in very large numbers, for instance there are hundreds of verpflegungsbunker!
not to mention the wohnunterstande for 9 or 12 soldiers...
if you search the complete B.R.V. it would be possible :milwink:

i thought you friend Hans Sakkers was working on something like that?

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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by jopaerya » 29 Jun 2012 22:02

Good news travels fast :wink: , there are some plans . Did you notice the type B , D on the BRV drawings .
Here a other one that was frequently build in Holland , the typical entrances could indicate a red cross bunker ??

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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by der bunkermann » 30 Jun 2012 13:40

Hi Jos,
indeed they are ''red cross'' bunkers (brv sometimes also calls it that way)
i think i've seen somewhere the term sanitatsbunker on a german map... will search for that.
there are a lot identical's like your drawing built in north holland.
most of em have the front trench, some have a roof over it.
me and paul dijkstra opend one at texel with covert frontpart.
should be a movie of that somewhere on the net..

some even have operationstable inside 8-)
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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by der bunkermann » 30 Jun 2012 13:44

the term type a,b,c is just a nickname from the brv guys i a certain region.
it can be found more often for other types of bunkers also type a,b,c,d.(stp.gr. schoorl.)
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Post by jopaerya » 30 Jun 2012 15:16

Thanks Tim

If I understand you well these bunkers/buidings are only build in K.V.A. A ( Festungspionier Stab I/15 )

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Post by der bunkermann » 30 Jun 2012 19:15

Hi Jos,
I don't understand what you meanwith K.V.A A..
is that something else than the normal k.v.a's like schagen amsterdam dordrecht?

i assume it's the area for the festungpionierstab? can you show from where to where it runs?

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Post by jopaerya » 30 Jun 2012 19:27

Hello Tim

Here a map from the S.H.M. Vincennes , as you can see from Terschelling to Den Haag .

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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by der bunkermann » 30 Jun 2012 20:56

Hi Jos,
that explains a lot :D
i quess you are right about KVA-A.
i noticed something on this map:

strange that a lot of maps (b.f.k.) of mkb's and m.fl.bttr. in the area of mar.fest.pi.gr. den helder are stamped with mar.fest.pi.gr. wassenaar stamps..
various dates from 1943 to 1945...
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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by der bunkermann » 30 Jun 2012 22:01

another design from KVA-1:
the schreibstube..

gr, Tim
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Local design North Holland - De Mient, Egmont binnen

Post by wimve » 01 Jul 2012 10:41

Hé alllez not so fast....

Here an impression of De Mient, shown on the drawing Jos posted :
It is a strange thing, the tobruck is partly interagted in a brick Drohnennest. But also the later is higher then the tobruk, resulting in the "no-use" of half the tobruk sight/range.


DeMient_04-B.jpg
DeMient_04-C.jpg
DeMient_04-D.jpg
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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by der bunkermann » 01 Jul 2012 11:55

nice wim,
it's no coincidense that in batteries div. artillerie in kva A like de mient and luttieckduin and bloemendaal there are observationposts like this..
also the wohnunterstande with tobruks...
maybe the tobruk for landzielbeschuß and the ''drohnennest for luftzielbuschuß...

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Re: Local design North Holland

Post by pdijkstra » 12 Jul 2012 09:36

Hi Tim,
That Schreibstube was actually a Gefechtstand (if I am right according some German maps of Texel). The sign of a Gefechtstand I always found on complexes were similar bunkers were built.
The attached one was built at WN16 in Schoorl. Another 6 Mann Unterstand (de window-window-door) was used as command post and connecter with a covered-trench(we found some KEV pieces).
Greetz, Paul
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