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Post by Aufklarung » 04 Apr 2003 22:08

EE wrote:How did this end up in Canada????

Well.....we were one of the victors in that war. We brought it back. I don't think that Festung Europa made it this far West!! :wink:
Actually an enterprising young infantry Captain(acting), brought back quite a collection by basically fooling the Cdn goverment at the end of the war. While waiting re-pat he formed a group of like soldiers into a strictly un-official collections team and commenced to gather an example of all he could find as far as German equiptment went. From a King Tiger to a Schmiesser. The V2 he stole from the Brits had to be returned as the USA and UK said we weren't allowed to have it. The Officers name was Farley Mowat, an author of some distinction here.
I should think these were part of the Arty. Apparently the Armour has been mis-placed and by some accounts was buried in a large deep hole sometime in the late 40's or 50s. 8O
I am currently looking for these tanks as it appears to have happened close to where I live. 6 years now and no firm leads. :( I was trying to get a Maritime Patrol Plane to come up and flyover using the MAD (Magnetic Anomoly Detection) gear but 'Higher" said "No friggin way". :lol:
EE wrote:Usually such a nice example would be placed behind glass so no one could touch it!

Perhaps there but here; they've been outside for decades!! :(
BTW do you guys still make "Hansa" beer? Mmmmm yummy. 8)
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Post by Erik E » 04 Apr 2003 22:13

We brought it back


Hmmmm...... So my theory that it felt of a Nazi-ufo on it`s way to the North-pole proved wrong.......... :?

Hansa Is still around!

How do you know this? found in a viking ship wreck???? :P

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Post by Aufklarung » 05 Apr 2003 01:26

EE wrote:How do you know this? found in a viking ship wreck????

Erik
Not quite but next time I'm at Canadas east coast I'll look around for a longboat full of beer!! :lol: When I lived at a NATO base in the early '80s, three of my best school friends were Norwegians. Bjornar, Bjornar, Espen, and I spent many weekends drinking ice cold Hansa and singing that beer drinking song I've posted here before. I think our "northern" connection is what made us such good friends.
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Post by Ike_FI » 06 Apr 2003 14:18

aufklarung wrote:The linkage looks like it could accept optics of some sort.


Don't strangle me if I'm wrong, but I guess that picture of yours shows the mounts for altitude adjustment meters, or whatever those are (I did not serve in AA...), see the "boxes" in my picture below.

The picture (which is unfortunately quite bad) was taken on Mikkeli garrison area a decade ago, the house behind was our NCO school barracks building. I aimed that museal gun towards the entrance during some pretty annoying no-leave weekend (you know those during which you got nothing to do except to wait for the random practise alarm...). :wink:
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Post by Ike_FI » 06 Apr 2003 16:51

Hi,
yet couple of PaK40 photos I took during the last summer:
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Post by sdkfz182 » 06 Apr 2003 19:04

Hi,

Xavier or anybody else, does some one maybe know which optics where used on 3.7 cm PaK 36 or 37, 5 cm PaK 38, 7.5 cm PaK 40 and 8.8 cm PaK 43 ??

Was it only the ZF 3x8 that was used or had each PaK his own scope ??

With kind reagrds, Benno
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Post by Aufklarung » 06 Apr 2003 20:29

IkeFi
Very nice piece of equipment. Obviously well kept by future NCOs without a pass for the wknd. :lol:
The one here is just alot of paint in the shape of a PAK 40!! :wink: Xavier is better serve by your example.
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pak sight

Post by Xavier » 06 Apr 2003 20:30

pak used two sights, one for direct trajectory (lower mount) and a periscopic (panoramic) one for indirect-longer range fire (upper mount) with more adjustments.

I am working on the exact type of sight used for the upper mount now, I have a couple specimens and I am trying to figure it out.


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Post by Juha Tompuri » 06 Apr 2003 21:03

Hi!

Some more or less related pics:
http://www.ipmsfinland.org/galleria/parolatykit/

"altitude adjustment meters" (not an AAA served too...green colour...)
http://www.ipmsfinland.org/galleria/ksi ... ics/13.jpg

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drawing

Post by Xavier » 13 Apr 2003 03:38

heavy gun sight (from ebay.de)
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Post by Xavier » 15 Mar 2004 17:29

Lost Art:

Long range artillery Setting

As of today, I guess most long range artilery fire is conducted on the base of satellite GPs and computers.

how were (very specifically) the long range german guns sighted?

I just received the first of a couple Rudblinkfernrohrs (panoramic gun sights) and was checking it... (is just like the one being used on the drawing)

In the drawing , you must notice the head (or viewer) is pointed backwards, not to the line of fire.At first I tought it was a mistake made by the artist, but after checking a couple books I have on artillery I noticed several pictures of gunners using the sight in that manner.

what I would like to know, ..
was this procedure related to the overall battery position?
was it related to the arch of fire of the complete battery?
how a sight like this was set and fire corrected?

The sight has a couple adjusters: Arch of fire (radial) and Height, both with coarse and fine adjusters. besides that, the general direction of the viewer can be set loosening a lever that frees the ring worm drive of the radial adjustment from the head and turning the head independently by hand.

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Post by Erik E » 17 Mar 2004 21:25

In the drawing , you must notice the head (or viewer) is pointed backwards, not to the line of fire.At first I tought it was a mistake made by the artist, but after checking a couple books I have on artillery I noticed several pictures of gunners using the sight in that manner.


I won`t even try to explain this in English, but I suppose I could "prepare" a small article on how this worked......

In short:
When a target is identified, the coordinates are sent to the batterycommander who will calculate elevation and trevaerse for each gun. The guncrew will only get these datas, and adjust the gun according to them.
These gunsights are pointed at a "known" point, usually, this point would consist of 2 sticks placed by the guncrew. With the optics, you measure the distance between these sticks for each 5-10 grenade.... As long as the distance is the same, the gun hasn`t moved.

Usually these sticks would be placed beside or behind the gun, so the pressure in front of the barrel doesn`t flip them over.....

Thats why you rarely see fieldartillery optics facing forwards.

I`ll try to write something better :)

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Post by Xavier » 18 Mar 2004 16:38

EE.....Excellent!!!

Believe it or not, It has helped a lot! :D x10
Gee I wondered why, but is just seems logic now: with targets as far away as 15 kms, and no direct line of sight, why use optics..

Yes, both books show pictures in which the master of the battery is setting azimuth positions for each gun in relation to a master arch of fire for the complete batery.

as a side comment, the procedure seems has not (or at least had not)changed much until some 10 years ago, with the advent of field use of gps and computers. I am getting another german panoramic sight in the next weeks, circa 1970's and by the pictures, the workings are the same.

Very best regards (and thanks again!!)

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War Relics in Canada

Post by Panzerphile » 24 Mar 2004 07:34

Because Canadian soldiers are the worlds greatest scroungers after ANZACs!

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Post by Panzerphile » 24 Mar 2004 07:38

That last was a bit disjointed. It should have followed on from the last post on the previous page. "Why did Canada get so much stuff...?"

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