Steps in tobruks
Steps in tobruks
Hello All
Here a few different examples of the two fixed steps in a tobruk , if you know more
variations please post them here . Sorry but I don't know all original sources of the photo's .
Regards Jos
Here a few different examples of the two fixed steps in a tobruk , if you know more
variations please post them here . Sorry but I don't know all original sources of the photo's .
Regards Jos
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Re: Stepes in tobruks
Hi Jos,
Can't help with any photos
But what is the reason for these 'steps' is it for putting ammo boxes on or to serve as steps to get out in a emergency?
Regards,
Malcolm
Can't help with any photos
But what is the reason for these 'steps' is it for putting ammo boxes on or to serve as steps to get out in a emergency?
Regards,
Malcolm
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Re: Stepes in tobruks
Hello Malcolm
Please see the drawing of Cédric Lemonnier with the two fixed steps and the flexible block .
Regards Jos
Please see the drawing of Cédric Lemonnier with the two fixed steps and the flexible block .
Regards Jos
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Re: Steps in tobruks
for a long time i'm wondering about the verschiebbare aftritt...
was there a standard type? with the germans you would thinks so!
there must be some of them staid behind in tobruks.. maybe it's made of wood, or perhaps steel?
someone had got to have a picture, maybe ''ringstand dirk'' has it?
gr, Tim
was there a standard type? with the germans you would thinks so!
there must be some of them staid behind in tobruks.. maybe it's made of wood, or perhaps steel?
someone had got to have a picture, maybe ''ringstand dirk'' has it?
gr, Tim
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Re: Steps in tobruks
No Tim I haven t .... sorry
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Re: Steps in tobruks
In this tobruk the steps on both side's , photo is from J.Schmitz .
Regards Jos
Regards Jos
Re: Steps in tobruks
A couple of examples of the Festeingebaute Auftritte from Denmark!
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Re: Steps in tobruks
thanks very nice
Re: Steps in tobruks
Steps
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Re: Steps in tobruks
Thanks Stril
Must be a early design of Ikea
Regards Jos
Must be a early design of Ikea
Regards Jos
Re: Steps in tobruks
Hi
only one step to be found in this conrete tobruk built into a masonry Vf construction at the Wn Beate (Zuydcoote)... which wasn't sufficient even for me (1,83m) to have a clear view of the area due to the small masonry ring built on top of the tobrukopening. (no clear traces of a second step can be found) Jean
only one step to be found in this conrete tobruk built into a masonry Vf construction at the Wn Beate (Zuydcoote)... which wasn't sufficient even for me (1,83m) to have a clear view of the area due to the small masonry ring built on top of the tobrukopening. (no clear traces of a second step can be found) Jean
Re: Steps in tobruks
hello
When visiting a tobruk I always wondered how soldiers could have a clear view of the suroundings and be able to use their weapon properly, because when standing upright on the floorlevel one can barely look over the rim (to do so you should be very tall). Some tobruks provide ladders, these two (or one) 'steps' and niches all of which don't seem to be intended to hold battle- or observationpositions for a long time as it would be most uncomfortable having to cling on with one hand because of the overhanging tobrukopening according to the position of these means.
I guess this 'Verschiebbarer Auftritt' was used to stand on by the soldier maning the tobruk when observating the area or taking battlepositions. When looking at the photos of tobruks in use during the war it seems like they are standing comfortably upright in the tobruk, as they are above the rim from the armpits up they must be standing on this 'Verschiebbarer Auftritt' placed central in the tobruk. I guess for smaller soldiers the standard 20cm Auftrit wouldn't be tall enough, so perhaps several 'models' were availible? I guess these 'steps' could perhaps been used to set-up the ammoboxes which contained these bulletchains as shown in the photos and as Malcom proposed earlier.
In this case and as they are not present in each tobruk it could be an indication for the weapon being used here (and perhaps being placed after construction of the tobruk/bunker itself according to the weapon used at the time - this could be the case for the 'ikea-looking-steps')
I don't think they were originally intended as a step-up to leave the tobruk through the roofopening because some tobruks clearly have a ladder in addition to these 'steps' to do so.
Jean
When visiting a tobruk I always wondered how soldiers could have a clear view of the suroundings and be able to use their weapon properly, because when standing upright on the floorlevel one can barely look over the rim (to do so you should be very tall). Some tobruks provide ladders, these two (or one) 'steps' and niches all of which don't seem to be intended to hold battle- or observationpositions for a long time as it would be most uncomfortable having to cling on with one hand because of the overhanging tobrukopening according to the position of these means.
I guess this 'Verschiebbarer Auftritt' was used to stand on by the soldier maning the tobruk when observating the area or taking battlepositions. When looking at the photos of tobruks in use during the war it seems like they are standing comfortably upright in the tobruk, as they are above the rim from the armpits up they must be standing on this 'Verschiebbarer Auftritt' placed central in the tobruk. I guess for smaller soldiers the standard 20cm Auftrit wouldn't be tall enough, so perhaps several 'models' were availible? I guess these 'steps' could perhaps been used to set-up the ammoboxes which contained these bulletchains as shown in the photos and as Malcom proposed earlier.
In this case and as they are not present in each tobruk it could be an indication for the weapon being used here (and perhaps being placed after construction of the tobruk/bunker itself according to the weapon used at the time - this could be the case for the 'ikea-looking-steps')
I don't think they were originally intended as a step-up to leave the tobruk through the roofopening because some tobruks clearly have a ladder in addition to these 'steps' to do so.
Jean
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Re: Steps in tobruks
Hi, Just wondering,
Have anyone in the mean time found a picture of a verschiebbare auftritt? Order maybe a "live" one?
Gr. Tim
Have anyone in the mean time found a picture of a verschiebbare auftritt? Order maybe a "live" one?
Gr. Tim
Re: Steps in tobruks
Hello
I was under the impression that it was made out of wood - like a 1/2 pallet or so, just so that the soldier did´nt trip over the cartridges on the floor?
So - if so - there will not be much left of it
Regards
Kurt
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I was under the impression that it was made out of wood - like a 1/2 pallet or so, just so that the soldier did´nt trip over the cartridges on the floor?
So - if so - there will not be much left of it
Regards
Kurt
kstdk