Steps in tobruks

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Steps in tobruks

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Post by jopaerya » 28 Aug 2012, 15:44

Hello All

Here a few different examples of the two fixed steps in a tobruk , if you know more
variations please post them here . Sorry but I don't know all original sources of the photo's .

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Re: Stepes in tobruks

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Post by M19 MADMAL » 28 Aug 2012, 16:17

Hi Jos,

Can't help with any photos :(
But what is the reason for these 'steps' is it for putting ammo boxes on or to serve as steps to get out in a emergency?

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Re: Stepes in tobruks

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Post by jopaerya » 28 Aug 2012, 16:26

Hello Malcolm

Please see the drawing of Cédric Lemonnier with the two fixed steps and the flexible block .

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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by der bunkermann » 29 Aug 2012, 19:35

for a long time i'm wondering about the verschiebbare aftritt...
was there a standard type? with the germans you would thinks so!
there must be some of them staid behind in tobruks.. maybe it's made of wood, or perhaps steel?
someone had got to have a picture, maybe ''ringstand dirk'' has it?
gr, Tim

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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by dirk Peeters » 30 Aug 2012, 13:50

No Tim I haven t .... sorry
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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by jopaerya » 01 Sep 2012, 16:54

In this tobruk the steps on both side's , photo is from J.Schmitz .

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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by TUS » 01 Sep 2012, 21:38

A couple of examples of the Festeingebaute Auftritte from Denmark!
Have a nice weekend everyone!

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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by TUS » 01 Sep 2012, 21:39

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Post by dirk Peeters » 01 Sep 2012, 21:40

thanks very nice

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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by stril » 02 Sep 2012, 00:37

Steps :-)
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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by jopaerya » 02 Sep 2012, 09:59

Thanks Stril

Must be a early design of Ikea :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by myt1prod » 03 Sep 2012, 21:33

Hi
only one step to be found in this conrete tobruk built into a masonry Vf construction at the Wn Beate (Zuydcoote)... which wasn't sufficient even for me (1,83m) to have a clear view of the area due to the small masonry ring built on top of the tobrukopening. (no clear traces of a second step can be found)
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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by myt1prod » 04 Sep 2012, 13:18

hello

When visiting a tobruk I always wondered how soldiers could have a clear view of the suroundings and be able to use their weapon properly, because when standing upright on the floorlevel one can barely look over the rim (to do so you should be very tall). Some tobruks provide ladders, these two (or one) 'steps' and niches all of which don't seem to be intended to hold battle- or observationpositions for a long time as it would be most uncomfortable having to cling on with one hand because of the overhanging tobrukopening according to the position of these means.

I guess this 'Verschiebbarer Auftritt' was used to stand on by the soldier maning the tobruk when observating the area or taking battlepositions. When looking at the photos of tobruks in use during the war it seems like they are standing comfortably upright in the tobruk, as they are above the rim from the armpits up they must be standing on this 'Verschiebbarer Auftritt' placed central in the tobruk. I guess for smaller soldiers the standard 20cm Auftrit wouldn't be tall enough, so perhaps several 'models' were availible?
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I guess these 'steps' could perhaps been used to set-up the ammoboxes which contained these bulletchains as shown in the photos and as Malcom proposed earlier.
In this case and as they are not present in each tobruk it could be an indication for the weapon being used here (and perhaps being placed after construction of the tobruk/bunker itself according to the weapon used at the time - this could be the case for the 'ikea-looking-steps')
I don't think they were originally intended as a step-up to leave the tobruk through the roofopening because some tobruks clearly have a ladder in addition to these 'steps' to do so.

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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by der bunkermann » 08 Apr 2017, 10:23

Hi, Just wondering,
Have anyone in the mean time found a picture of a verschiebbare auftritt? Order maybe a "live" one?

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Re: Steps in tobruks

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Post by kstdk » 08 Apr 2017, 10:54

Hello

I was under the impression that it was made out of wood - like a 1/2 pallet or so, just so that the soldier did´nt trip over the cartridges on the floor?

So - if so - there will not be much left of it ;-)

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