Italian AA Guns

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by jopaerya » 03 Dec 2015 15:06

08-05-1941

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Manuferey » 04 Dec 2015 00:00

Dili wrote:Most probable. Or Tunisia. But they seem too clean for Tunisia :)

Edit: is this is the 75mm PF mle 15 know in Italy as 75/34? then Germans have been selling them to Italians since 1941. 29 Batteries so still a sizable number of guns. If at 4 guns per battery that means 116 guns.

24 were captured by Italy in Tunisia.

So this could well be Italy and not Southern France or Corse.
Dili,

This is not a anti-aircraft 75 mm on platform (PF) mle 1915 but a coastal 75 mm G "sur affût à chandelier", both based on the 75 mm Mle 1897.

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Dili » 04 Dec 2015 15:27

Thanks you Jo , Manuferey. Neverthless i am not sure if Italians distinguished between PF and G. Anyone has more detail on captured equipement by Germans and sold to Italy? Was there any distinction in German beute designation?

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Manuferey » 04 Dec 2015 23:28

Dili,

The 75 mm PF was a dedicated static AA version of the 75 mm Mle 1897.

The Italian designation "75/34" seems closer to the 75 CA Mle 17-34 (7,5 cm Flak M17/34(f) for the Germans) which was a mobile AA trailer. :idea:

Here is a Vichy-French 75 mm PF captured in Syria in 1941:
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http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/021976

And here a 75 CA Mle 17-34 with the Mle 1928 barrel:
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(Artillery museum of Draguignan - France - Picture from www.sudwall.superforum.fr)

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Dili » 05 Dec 2015 15:11

I don't think so. the "34" part in 75/34 for Italians is most certainly the tube length in calibers, not the version date. All of their guns are identified that way.

The last gun you show have certainly more than 34 calibers of tube length. So i think it is the PF or other similar versions.

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Manuferey » 05 Dec 2015 15:34

Dili,

I agree, the number 34 is the tube length as in other Italian designations.

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by jopaerya » 10 Dec 2015 13:50

Back to Sturm78 question , found this picture of Corsica on BeeldbankWO2 . Looks to me the same place ??

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Dili » 10 Dec 2015 16:24

Photo at least seems to have same sun light.

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by jopaerya » 10 Dec 2015 16:56

Please see the soldier with T shirt with-out sleeves , left of the gun and the soldier with the kepy
behind the gun on the last picture and compare that with Sturm78 his picture .

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Dili » 10 Dec 2015 17:44

Yes, plus the soldier with darker trousers, i also see the rear of a wooden boxes at extreme right right in sturm photo. The cable on the ground going up to the wall.

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Dec 2015 09:46

Hi all

A small image from EBay: 75mm Mod 1934

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Mar 2016 13:07

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this italian naval AA gun ??

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by fert » 16 Mar 2016 18:38

hello,
102/35 on Vickers Terni (OTO) mount mod 24
http://www.cesimmunizioni.eu (Italian ECRA)

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Mar 2016 23:27

fert wrote
102/35 on Vickers Terni (OTO) mount mod 24
Ummhhh...are you sure? :? I think 102/35 Schneider-Ansaldo 1914-15 gun had two long and one short brake/recuperator cylinders above the barrel....

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Dili » 17 Mar 2016 11:35

There are several variants. The only issue for me is that the tube appears longer than 35 calibers from this photo angle. Could be a 102/45 ? but i never saw one in AA mount.

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