Fortifications of Imperial Germany

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Fortifications of Imperial Germany

Post by DaSk » 15 Feb 2013 18:33

Hello!

Is there possibility to establish a new topic concerning prussian fortifications problems? I know, that whole forum deals with German Military Forces, but in my opinion prussian "bunkers" are ancestors of inter-war and war fortifications.
What do you think about that? Could be this topic in a Stickies part of forum?

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Re: New topic ? Prussian fortifications

Post by jopaerya » 15 Feb 2013 18:50

Hello DaSk

Sounds like a good idea to me , a friend of my did some research on W.W. 1 bunkers
and he told me that many of the W.W.2 bunkers look a lot like W W 1 bunkers also the
building method to build with Formsteine was already used in W.W. 1 .

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Re: New topic ? Prussian fortifications

Post by SES » 16 Feb 2013 18:40

Hi,
Sounds like a great idea. It is kind of interesting to follow the development of the bunkers in shape, thickness, facilities and utilities.
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Re: New topic ? Prussian fortifications

Post by Saska » 16 Feb 2013 20:07

Hello

As a former neighbour of the french City Straßburg in Alsace which was strongly fortificated from 1871-1918 and born just to the border there and grown up in the german Westwall at the upper rhine valley (Oberrheinstellung) I would be very happy about a topic like this. Long ago I had weekends like one day left and one day right side of the rhine river in both old 1871-1918 and new fortifications 1933-45 and I was amazed about the similarity in details.

As a simple example heres a picture from a observation post at a german river bridgehead postion in Alsace with a opening in the roof for a periskop. Maybe a very early step in the direction of the later used Tobrukstände.

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Re: Prussian fortifications

Post by Marcus » 16 Feb 2013 20:26

DaSk wrote:Could be this topic in a Stickies part of forum?
We decide on "stickying" a thread only after we see how it develops and only a very thread threads are made into stickies.

/Marcus

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Re: Prussian fortifications

Post by Ondrej Filip » 16 Feb 2013 20:46

Hi DaSk,

I think you should define the topic first. What do you mean with "Prussian fortification". The fortification of Prussian Kingdom (untill 1871)? The fortifications at the territory of former Prussia? All German Empire fortifications (that's what some people here think)?

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Re: Prussian fortifications

Post by DaSk » 16 Feb 2013 21:00

Marcus, thanks for your answer. For me it is understandable.

So, now let's go to the point.
Saska posted a very interesting photograph of observation post - in general prussian. As I am not wrong it is Postenuntershlupf l. a. fur Art. Beobachtung or Beobachtungsstand aus Eisenblech mit Kiesfullung in english called Snail or in germany Schneke.
But I think that this particular snail is improved. At its top is added concrete reinforcement wit opening for periscope. In original observation posts roof was made from steel plate obut 5 mm thick (if I am not wrong). Now is arising a 2 questions. Who made this reinforcement; Frenchs, Germans, Prussians? And another question when this was done?
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Re: Prussian fortifications

Post by DaSk » 16 Feb 2013 21:17

Ondrej Filip you are absolutely right!
I should define topic of interest. Let's say that this subject will cover whole territory of II Reich till 1918, and of course territory occupied by Prussians during I World War in west and east. Will it be understandable (I will not say that is correct wit history).

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Re: Prussian fortifications

Post by Manuferey » 16 Feb 2013 22:35

DaSk,

Shouldn't the title then be German fortifications from 1870 to 1918 ? I don't think we want to concentrate on the Prussians only and leave for instance the Bavarians and the Hessians aside. :wink:

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Re: Prussian fortifications

Post by DaSk » 17 Feb 2013 12:18

OK. Title can be changed for example German fortifications to 1918. But I think it is not the most important thing:)

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Re: Prussian fortifications

Post by Projekt-Westwall » 17 Feb 2013 13:34

Hi Guys,

here are a few pictures from Bunkers near Straßburg too.

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Re: Fortifications of Imperial Germany

Post by Marcus » 17 Feb 2013 13:47

I've changed the title to "Fortifications of Imperial Germany".

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Re: Fortifications of Imperial Germany

Post by jopaerya » 17 Feb 2013 14:18

Here a example of the socalled "Feste" build around Metz and Thionville ( Diedenhoven )

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Re: Fortifications of Imperial Germany

Post by DaSk » 17 Feb 2013 21:16

Hello!

Marcus very nice pictures! First I think it is emplacement for 2 MG and 1 searchlight. But this two others; what were their purpose?

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Re: Fortifications of Imperial Germany

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Apr 2013 11:36

Hi all,

I found this image on EBay. I think it is the Leitstand of a German coastal battery of Marine Korps Flandern

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