Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)

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Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)

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Post by myt1prod » 11 Mar 2013, 16:46

Hello

Again as with my topic on the Stp Mackensen in De Panne (BE), I'll be starting a new topic on the Stp Von Rundstedt, also in De Panne. Some of the information is already mentioned in other topics on several subjects, therefore sometimes hard to find. I hope to gather all information on the stronghold in this new topic... please join in if you can add to the topic.

As the Stp. Von Rundstedt was unseperatable from the Funkstelle PONY - which was laying partially inside the Stp - I suggest we handle both the Stp and the Funkstelle in this topic. (see also topic: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=190902 ... which got a bit off track due to a discussion about the thickness of a certain wall ;) )

Please add any information, photo's, aerials, ..... thx ahead!!

The reason I started this topic today... I just got hold of some photos which I like to share with you. All photo's date back to the early post-war years, some very shortly after the German retreat noticing the presence of artillery and other stuff. Here we go...
(I still have to check up on the photo's, so anyone who can already provide me with some information... please do. note: after the liberation of De Panne in sept. 44, the region was occupied by allied troops to prevent the Germans from breaking out of the Dunkirk pocket where the Germans remained undefeated untill the surrender of Germany. Therefore some of the artillery could be allied to...)
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one of the left behind pieces of artillery
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one of the bunkers close to the aglomeration of De Panne. In the background we can see the tower of the villa Orban, so this bunker must have been laying in front of the royal villas. Therefore - noticing the map by Pierrot (see link above, will be posted later) - could this be a variant of a R612??
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debris from one of the radars standing in the Stp Von Rundstedt/Funkstelle PONY... could this have been the Wasserman??

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Post by myt1prod » 11 Mar 2013, 16:53

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one of many tunnelentrances
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This is actually one of the bunkers of the (real) Stp Von Schlieffen, further upcoast just next to the French border. Shortly after the war the bunker was used to indicate that the first French café (pub) is only 50 metres away, possibly meaning the cafetaria/café of camping du Perroquet... so this bunker could not stand more than 50 metres away from the French border. As it was part of this collection and is such a nice photo I added it already, however it has nothing to do with the Stp Von Rundstedt
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still now weapons/artillery expert... but if I'm not mistaken this is something PAK40'ish??

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Post by myt1prod » 11 Mar 2013, 17:01

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some local guy with Johnny Weissmuler, the original Tarzan, LOL on the carriage of a canon
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one of the OB's with it's canon (I presume) standing outside. Also notice the half sunken guardhouse and another small building in the background. Noticing the position of the guardhouse this OB must have been laying just in front of the bunker locally known Victoriabunker which was a German Cinema/ballroom for off-dutysoldiers (photos will follow)
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posing in front of the remains of yet another radar...
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Post by myt1prod » 11 Mar 2013, 17:11

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Possibly the Germans blew up some of their own bunkers when retraiting to Dunkirk during the liberation of De Panne, but most of the strategical important bunkers were blown up by the Allied forces shortly after the liberation. As the Germans still held Dunkirk the Allies were afraid that the Germans could still take back the stronghold so the bunkers had to go. Meaning that little bunkers were left to seen and photographed by the locals after the war, so why not pose amongst the scattered debris
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another tunnelentrance
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possibly the most photographed remains of one of the radars as I have already posted some photo's of this same radar in a different topic

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Post by myt1prod » 11 Mar 2013, 17:14

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the last and least interesting photo's... again posing amongst the scattered debris of blown up bunkers
a bit of destroyed bunkers thread that is...
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That's it for now...
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Post by Eax-E » 11 Mar 2013, 17:54

Hello

Very nice collection of pictures !

The guns must be some 15,5 cm K418 (f).

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Post by TH » 11 Mar 2013, 17:56

myt1prod wrote:
foto6bis.jpg
still now weapons/artillery expert... but if I'm not mistaken this is something PAK40'ish??
Looks like a 5 cm KwK L/60 to me.
Perhaps in a Bauform 65a?

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Post by myt1prod » 11 Mar 2013, 19:06

Eax-E wrote:Hello

Very nice collection of pictures !

The guns must be some 15,5 cm K418 (f).

Bye
HI Eax-E

These where indeed the guns known to have been used here!
grtz

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Post by myt1prod » 11 Mar 2013, 19:07

TH wrote:
myt1prod wrote:
foto6bis.jpg
still now weapons/artillery expert... but if I'm not mistaken this is something PAK40'ish??
Looks like a 5 cm KwK L/60 to me.
Perhaps in a Bauform 65a?
Oh.. Okay then not so PAK'ish :lol: then...
Perhaps others could help to confirm the guntype and bauform.

Thx TH!

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Post by JKernwerk » 11 Mar 2013, 19:58

Hi the round foundation for the radar (you say Wassermann) is for a Freya Fahrstuhl!
In the Netherlands we have one foundation of this special radar left (at Harderwijk from complex "Hase").
A picture of the concrete base on the bottom of this page (link below).
http://www.fortificatieforum.nl/viewtop ... =fahrstuhl
Greetings and thanks for the nice pictures.
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Post by myt1prod » 11 Mar 2013, 20:56

JKernwerk wrote:Hi the round foundation for the radar (you say Wassermann) is for a Freya Fahrstuhl!
In the Netherlands we have one foundation of this special radar left (at Harderwijk from complex "Hase").
A picture of the concrete base on the bottom of this page (link below).
http://www.fortificatieforum.nl/viewtop ... =fahrstuhl
Greetings and thanks for the nice pictures.
JK
Thx JK
I know most of the ID's on the radars at De Panne is already mentioned somewhere on the forum, but it's been a while since I was active on the forum. I was so eager to share these new photo's with you I didn't take the time yet to search into the information concerning these radars... I knew the right answers would be provided by you - the membres of this forum

Thx for the ID

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Post by myt1prod » 13 Mar 2013, 15:44

Some other unique photo's from yet another collection... Enjoy!
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posing with yet another gun... I leave the identification to the specialists on the matter ;)
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again posing, this time on top of a gunbarrel...
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one of the many bunkers... possibly a R502... if you ask me
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Post by myt1prod » 13 Mar 2013, 15:53

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the large flat piece of concrete on the bottom right is the roof of the 'Victoriabunker' which was a German cinema/balroom... so the building in the background must be the 'officerslager' then according to a map which I will be posting later
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The Germans upon arrival in De Panne, on the location which will later become the Stp Von Rundtstedt and Funkstelle PONY. Artillery specialist requested! Is this a German gun or one just left behind by the Allied troops (this photo was shot shortly after operation Dynamo).
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a very nice photo of a tunnel... not shure if this is Stp von Rundtstedt but it belonged to the same photocollection... possibly Stp Von Schlieffen, Mackensen, ... the other known strongholds in De Panne
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Post by myt1prod » 13 Mar 2013, 16:08

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not shure if this is a bunker or a cuppola intergrated into the seawall or a bunker under construction... also the background doesn't give away much. This far I have no information on a bunker with a cuppola built inside the Stp Von Rundtstedt, I do know there was one built inside the Stp von Schlieffen also in De Panne... Pierrot (or anybody else of course) can you help out on this one??
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OB von rundstedt.jpg
(already posted in another topic) from the same collection on De Panne; this should be one of the OB's of the Stp Von Rundtstedt, in the background a small nicely camouflaged observation bunker
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(already posted in another topic) same collection; as I said in relation to a photo in the first photocollection at the beginning of this topic...; probably the most photographed radar in De Panne
The collections contains many other photo's mainly showing Germans with locals, liberators with locals, beachdefenses, wreckage, ... shot all around De Panne but not in relationship to the Stp Von Rundstedt... so I didn't post them, not to pollude this topic. I will however in other topic's when they prove to be of interest on the subject.

Greetz
Jean

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Post by jopaerya » 13 Mar 2013, 16:35

Hello Jean

Thanks for sharing these great picture's , the first one a 25 pounder aka 8.67 cm F.K. 280 (e)
and the bunker for the panzerturret is great , would like to know were this one was placed ??

Regards Jos

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