Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
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Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
it is for me a dreischartenturm under construction
Could the bettung and the leisttand (observationpost not be zeebrugge StP Barbara ?)
I ll chechk this out later or can you Jos?
Dirk
Could the bettung and the leisttand (observationpost not be zeebrugge StP Barbara ?)
I ll chechk this out later or can you Jos?
Dirk
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
Hi Dirk
I agree with you with the bettung and in the back the Leitstand is H.K.B. Barbara near Zeebrugge .
the Schartenturm looks a Nachträglicher Einbau in a 3 Schartenturmbunker .
Regards Jos
I agree with you with the bettung and in the back the Leitstand is H.K.B. Barbara near Zeebrugge .
the Schartenturm looks a Nachträglicher Einbau in a 3 Schartenturmbunker .
Regards Jos
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Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
It looks almost if it's been build in Baustarke A! Very nice photo of a 407P9.
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
Hi Dirk and Jos
although most of the photo's in this collection are clearly taken in De Panne, their are some more photos which I myself doubted because of the scenery or because I think I saw them before somewhere on the net... Indeed for the photo you both mention I was also in doubt as I used it earlier in the discussion wether a certain simalar OB was at Westende or De Panne (if I recall well). Should this be the case and this OB is in fact the one at Zeebrugge, I do wonder how these photo's got mixed up with a collection on De Panne. Never the less, a nice photo.
the 3 Schartenturmbunker, as you pointed out, I'm quite curious about... which type of bunker, where was it built, was it even built in De Panne or just another mixed up photo... it does look impressive!
Greetz
and thx for your replies
Jean
although most of the photo's in this collection are clearly taken in De Panne, their are some more photos which I myself doubted because of the scenery or because I think I saw them before somewhere on the net... Indeed for the photo you both mention I was also in doubt as I used it earlier in the discussion wether a certain simalar OB was at Westende or De Panne (if I recall well). Should this be the case and this OB is in fact the one at Zeebrugge, I do wonder how these photo's got mixed up with a collection on De Panne. Never the less, a nice photo.
the 3 Schartenturmbunker, as you pointed out, I'm quite curious about... which type of bunker, where was it built, was it even built in De Panne or just another mixed up photo... it does look impressive!
Greetz
and thx for your replies
Jean
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
If we can presume that all picture's from the collection were taken in Belgium , then Stp.Gr. Ostende could be a option ??
Regards Jos
Regards Jos
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
Very nice shot of the Dreischartenturm
Completely agree. Looks like Baustarke A. A nice 407P9 or 60P8.
Brgds Tønnes
Completely agree. Looks like Baustarke A. A nice 407P9 or 60P8.
Brgds Tønnes
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
Hi again...
I'm busy making some detailed maps on this stronghold as I did for the Stp Mackensen.
The following maps show only the Stp Von Rundstedt and a small part of the Funkstelle PONY which is more to the right. the aerial view is also lacking a small part of the Stp to the left. Later on I will be making a detailed map for the entire Funkstelle PONY which is overlapping with the Stp Von Rundstedt. To do so I'm still awaiting a high quality aerial of the area... once this is done it should provide us with an overall view of the entire area.
... but for now let's kick off with the main part of the Stp Von Rundstedt;
This first map which I've posted earlier on another topic was (most possibly) made by the local resistance and has been drawn on the back of a printed map. It shows most structures of the Stp with some specifications as function, bunkernumbers, artillerypositions, etc. ...
To make the map more readable for you on this small format I adapted it slightly, repeating what's written on the bottom part and with the use of some colours to indicate similar functions.
Recently I've bought a new book on the evolution of the dunes of De Panne, in this book an aerial photo showing practically the whole area west of De Panne half way-up the French border. This map is new to me, so I immediataly got to work on the part of the aerial showing the Stp Von Rundstedt.
Most of the structures indicated on the below aerial are easy to distinguise, others I could only find thanks to the above map, some which are mentioned on the above map I couldn't retrieve and the other way around.
It is known that this Stp containt some 60 structures of which approximately 50 concrete structures... so next to the structures I've already pinpointed there must be some more to relocate. The three close-up maps as idicated will follow soon.
... one thing this small overview aerial already shows and which is totally new to me is that their was laying a 'Scheinstellung' with 6 OB's just behind the Stp.
aerial from RAF reconaissanceflight RB541.16.25MAR44//A1.36" (date: 25 march 1944)
to be continued
I'm busy making some detailed maps on this stronghold as I did for the Stp Mackensen.
The following maps show only the Stp Von Rundstedt and a small part of the Funkstelle PONY which is more to the right. the aerial view is also lacking a small part of the Stp to the left. Later on I will be making a detailed map for the entire Funkstelle PONY which is overlapping with the Stp Von Rundstedt. To do so I'm still awaiting a high quality aerial of the area... once this is done it should provide us with an overall view of the entire area.
... but for now let's kick off with the main part of the Stp Von Rundstedt;
This first map which I've posted earlier on another topic was (most possibly) made by the local resistance and has been drawn on the back of a printed map. It shows most structures of the Stp with some specifications as function, bunkernumbers, artillerypositions, etc. ...
To make the map more readable for you on this small format I adapted it slightly, repeating what's written on the bottom part and with the use of some colours to indicate similar functions.
Recently I've bought a new book on the evolution of the dunes of De Panne, in this book an aerial photo showing practically the whole area west of De Panne half way-up the French border. This map is new to me, so I immediataly got to work on the part of the aerial showing the Stp Von Rundstedt.
Most of the structures indicated on the below aerial are easy to distinguise, others I could only find thanks to the above map, some which are mentioned on the above map I couldn't retrieve and the other way around.
It is known that this Stp containt some 60 structures of which approximately 50 concrete structures... so next to the structures I've already pinpointed there must be some more to relocate. The three close-up maps as idicated will follow soon.
... one thing this small overview aerial already shows and which is totally new to me is that their was laying a 'Scheinstellung' with 6 OB's just behind the Stp.
aerial from RAF reconaissanceflight RB541.16.25MAR44//A1.36" (date: 25 march 1944)
to be continued
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
Hi,
Great work you are doing, just in the interest of accuracy PONY was Flugmeldemess Stellung. A Funk Stellung is a simple radio station.
bregds
SES
Great work you are doing, just in the interest of accuracy PONY was Flugmeldemess Stellung. A Funk Stellung is a simple radio station.
bregds
SES
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
Hi again...
(for those awaiting the aerial overviews as mentioned above; I was promised some additional information which could be helpfull with identifying the structures shown on the aerialphoto... therefore I'm awaiting this information in order to continue.)
Up to some years ago some smaller constructions could still be found all over the dunes, which where left untouched since the massive post-war clean-up of military infrastructure along the belgian coastline. One of these remaining structures I remember well was a 5cm KwK-like structure, a german road... but about 10 years ago the gouvernment - who owns, controls and 'maintain' the nature reserve - did a final clean-up so all the left behind structures were removed from the dunes. Since then it is claimed and locally assumed that nothing remains...
As I am always reluctant to actually believe that not even the smallest relict remains, I went for a walk. As large parts of what used to be the German coastal defence line are inaccesible since years the bushes grow very thick overhere and some spots are practically impossible to access... also the excesive use of barbwire fencing by the gouvernment doesn't really help... I coast me a ripped pair of trousers, shoes full of thorns and scratches all over.
This (blue line) is an overview of my walk on what turned out to be a nice sunny and fertile afternoon. As you can see my walk extended much further then the Stp von Rundstedt; the few things I found in other strongholds I will be posting in the appropriate topic.
Join me for a walk in my hometown dunes...
...
(for those awaiting the aerial overviews as mentioned above; I was promised some additional information which could be helpfull with identifying the structures shown on the aerialphoto... therefore I'm awaiting this information in order to continue.)
Up to some years ago some smaller constructions could still be found all over the dunes, which where left untouched since the massive post-war clean-up of military infrastructure along the belgian coastline. One of these remaining structures I remember well was a 5cm KwK-like structure, a german road... but about 10 years ago the gouvernment - who owns, controls and 'maintain' the nature reserve - did a final clean-up so all the left behind structures were removed from the dunes. Since then it is claimed and locally assumed that nothing remains...
As I am always reluctant to actually believe that not even the smallest relict remains, I went for a walk. As large parts of what used to be the German coastal defence line are inaccesible since years the bushes grow very thick overhere and some spots are practically impossible to access... also the excesive use of barbwire fencing by the gouvernment doesn't really help... I coast me a ripped pair of trousers, shoes full of thorns and scratches all over.
This (blue line) is an overview of my walk on what turned out to be a nice sunny and fertile afternoon. As you can see my walk extended much further then the Stp von Rundstedt; the few things I found in other strongholds I will be posting in the appropriate topic.
Join me for a walk in my hometown dunes...
...
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
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these are my finds this far
Greetz
Jean
these are my finds this far
Greetz
Jean
- dirk Peeters
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Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
Tobruk is a nice find
I ll love to see the type
In the neighborhood several 58d are found.....
If you can give a date Jean ....
Dirk
I ll love to see the type
In the neighborhood several 58d are found.....
If you can give a date Jean ....
Dirk
Re: Stp von Rundstedt - AOK 15 KVA A3 (De Panne)
those 58d's you're talking about, you mean at the time and long gone now? ... i presumedirk Peeters wrote:Tobruk is a nice find
I ll love to see the type
In the neighborhood several 58d are found.....
If you can give a date Jean ....
Dirk
what do you mean by 'can you give me a date'? ... for what exactly
As it is laying on public domain, I have to ask permission to dig overhere... i'll see into that
greetz
jean