Type 4 LS 50 mann

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Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 30 Dec 2013 20:02

Alain Chazette has found on the superforum another new type
The LS Type 4 50 mann
2013-12-29_142323.jpg
there are several constructed in le Havre
so here we have a unique modell in Le Havre
The M 168 is also a LS for 50 mann
1A5 doc St lijst Festung Le Havre (2).jpg
see the second line in the document above (M 168 50 M 1300 CBM)
M 168 LS 50 man 01 plan.jpg
i ll think its the same
so it could be that a Type 4 is also a M 168
Your opinions please
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by Chazette » 30 Dec 2013 22:55

Pierro find it
see to this link
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http://atlantikwall.superforum.fr/t1479 ... ker#168559

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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 09:21

it is a 1m 50 Thick bunker that LS fur 50 Mann
2013-12-31_091245.jpg
it s possible that is this one
i! look further
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 10:12

When we see at the plans and maps of Le havre (german documents ofcourse this is what i found
bunker nr 200 in list
nr 200 doc.jpg
bunker nr 200 on german map
nr 200.jpg
on an aerial picture of 1945 it gives this
nr 200 1A4.jpg
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 10:18

here other examples (nr 450 and 451)
nr 452 bis 455.jpg
on the german map
450 451 doc.jpg
aerial picture
nr 450 1A4.jpg
nr 451 1A4.jpg
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 10:23

nr 452 ; 453 , 454 , 455
nr 452 bis 455 doc.jpg
the map
nr 452 bis 455.jpg
nrr 452
nr 452 1A4.jpg
nr 453
nr 453 1A4.jpg
nr 454
nr 454 1A4.jpg
we see they are all the same bunker , but an LS 50 mann type ostende is much smaller
for me i ll think they are all M 168 , but i could be wrong
anyone can verify with measurements or placing plans of the two types on the aerial pictures? i don t know how to do it
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 10:29

an LS type Ostende measures
6 meter on 23 meter 20 so a small long bunker
an M 168 measures
21 meter on 12 meter
so much taller and i ll think its that we see here an M 168
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 10:48

We had one survivor of these specimen
It was destroyed a few years ago but we have visited this one
It was on Quai de la Seine
a google picture
quai de la seine google.jpg
an exterior picture of myself
quai de la seine.jpg
and this one is a genuine M 168
we see it is on dry docks
when we search in 1945 we find this
nr 450 1A4.jpg
we see the same drydock
and the german nr is 450 so they used for this one the name 50 Mann Bunker
why they use sometimes the designation M 168 or 50 Mann bunker i don t know but this is all i ve found sofar
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by Chazette » 31 Dec 2013 11:17

Thank Dirk
but the Typ 4 is Bauwerk Nr 125, 126, 127
have you the localisation ?

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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 11:26

No time for that now Alain
There is a party going on for me this afternoon , i ll think i ve no time anymore
here is the nr 450 which is identified as a M 168
450 451 doc.jpg
and the 450 is the same as the nr 200
nr 200 doc.jpg
When i ve the time i ll search but it s timeconsuming you know
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by tristan-gereon » 31 Dec 2013 11:31

Hi,

LS is certainly the abbreviation für Luftschutz. There is also an early Luftwaffen-Regelbau "LS-Unterstand für 50 Mann" , which you can find on several Fliegerhorste, for example Uetersen or Kiel-Holtenau and Grove http://www.gyges.dk/fliegerhorst_grove.htm
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 11:34

I found already one
120 bis 125.jpg
Here 127 and 126
127.jpg
and here the aerial picture
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by dirk Peeters » 31 Dec 2013 11:35

I have to leave
You can search the others perhaps
Have a great new yaers party all our members here
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by patrick fleuridas » 31 Dec 2013 18:47

Hi,

Fine research Dirk, with drawing, originl document and pictures. I think all is right :D
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Re: Type 4 LS 50 mann

Post by Chazette » 31 Dec 2013 19:11

not Right Patrick
the Typ 4 is for 50 Mann Stand (125,126,127,200)
the M168 is note 50 Mann Bunker (exemple 200) no the same name

only the plan of 125,126,127,200 explaine the Type 4
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