MG-Panzernest and variations

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MG-Panzernest and variations

Postby mmdesp » 24 Jan 2014 23:56

INFORMATION AND RESEARCH (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).
Image
Picture taken in Kursk (Russia) in July and August 1943.



The MG-PANZERNEST, is a type of German bunker steel (armored) and mobil ...
In 1943 he entered service on the Russian front ... Theaters of operations as the Eastern Front, Western Front or Italian Front, operated panzernest.
Battles participated in ...
Operation Citadel in Kursk (Russia), Cassino (Italy) or Atlantic Wall, etc ...
Italian defense lines as Gustav and Gothic Line ... They placed defensive element of this mobile. Perfect for field fortification.

In many front lines, armored Wehrmacht use this item.
This bunker was designed for a crew of two men, had a gun, MG-34 or MG-42.
Sector has a shot from 50 ° 60 °, ideal for covering strategic areas of little or no access to spare artillery or armor, protection from inclement weather soldiers, enemy fire etc. ...

A mobile gun nest by wheels that coupled at their sides and hitched to any vehicle such as a trailer. The soldiers then opened a trench and thrown inside.
The masked, being completely hidden at ground floor and the enemy ...
The Russians nicknamed him the crab (Краб), the reason is its armored panzer armor.
Americans as armored crab...



Manufacturers like Krupp and others manufactured PANZERNESTS.
Military codes from manufacturers like:
agh ..... (Saarländisches STAHLWERK Dingler, Karcher & Cie. GmbH)
akh ..... (Bergische Stahlindustrie Kg A. A.)
HV ...... (Horder Verein)...

variants:
Panzernest Germany K2, K3.
Panzernest variant Italy
Panzernest variant Hungary
Panzernest rotating 360 º
Panzernest ?

INFORMATION AND RESEARCH (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS). DMM.
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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 00:34

Image
http://s29.postimg.org/46xm72wnb/SDC14761.jpg
Description Panzernest.
Research and confirmation.
K2 or K3 Panzernest type?

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 00:46

Image
http://s14.postimg.org/7ceyzppkx/360.jpg
Description Panzernest.
Research and confirmation.
Panzernest type rotating 360 º? (confirmed).
Nationality and name of the manufacturer unknown.
Name unknown model.

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby Ondrej Filip » 25 Jan 2014 00:50

mmdesp wrote:Image
http://s29.postimg.org/46xm72wnb/SDC14761.jpg
Description Panzernest.
Research and confirmation.
K2 or K3 Panzernest type?


According to my sources, "K2" and "K3" were only Czechoslovak post-war designations, used during the tests. "K2" (original German Panzernest) and "K3" (rotating Panzernest with added mechanism from LT-38 tank) were tested during 1948-1949. None of them have been adopted as Czechoslovak armament. Both test specimens were scrapped.

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 01:01

Image
http://s27.postimg.org/eg6q7ejhv/panzernest.jpg
Description Panzernest.
Research and confirmation.
Panzernest variant Hungary type?
Nationality and name of the manufacturer unknown.
Name unknown model.

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 01:14

K2 or K3 Panzernest type.
Ondrej Filip confirmed the same.
My sources say the same.
(Verified and confirmed).

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 01:34

Image
http://s10.postimg.org/6qgsccxex/IMG_3879_Medium.jpg
Description Panzernest.
Research and confirmation.
Panzernest variant Italy type?
Italian steel plate minimum thickness.(confirmed).
Nationality and name of the manufacturer unknown.
Name unknown model.

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 01:45

Image
http://s23.postimg.org/8pur0g3qz/200783 ... 02_353.png
Description Panzernest.
Research and confirmation.
Italy Panzernest variant type?
Nationality and name of the manufacturer unknown.
Name unknown model.

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby jopaerya » 25 Jan 2014 08:51

Could it be that all these variation are post-war and that there is only one Panzernest .

Regards Jos

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 12:55

Hello jopaerya.
Hungarian is not photographed in the Second World War. (Confirmed).

The italinas versions nato panzernest used elements of the second world war, it is possible that it was built by Italian manufacturer of steel plates.

The 360 ° swivel version is I think the second world war but can not confirm.

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 12:58

Hungarian is photographed in the Second World War. (Confirmed).

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby mmdesp » 25 Jan 2014 13:07

Ondrej Filip
Panzernest K2 = Panzernest kulomet2?
Panzernest K3 = Panzernest kulomet3?

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Re: (MG-PANZERNEST AND VARIATIONS).

Postby herring » 25 Jan 2014 17:15

Hello,

Looks like a bit a mess...

What is more -or less sure is:
During 2ww:
- German (basic) version - small variations in execution; most probably had 2 types pf loophole cover: "bird-beak" (most popular) and "flat" (I think I saw it on 1 wartime origin panzernest, often seen in after war Tagliamento line)
- Hungarian - good question if it existed; up till now I've seen one picture and I've found a note on Merkblatt list:
"MG.-Panzernest (ungarisch): Einbauanweisung wird bei Zuweisung in genügend Exemplaren mitgeliefert"
So, probably at least some prototypes existed. Or, description refers to normal instruction in Hungarian?
Afret 2ww:
- Poland - very high probability that re-used in original form,
- USSR - some tests and changes in interior were made, also a number of designs inspired by panzernest
- Czechoslovakia - K2 and K3, also "concrete" version built (I guess - or it was russian?)
- Italy - widely re-used after some changes in interior, also seems that new production was made (new castings of the hood, new loopholes, new doors), rotating version, "flat nose" version that seems to be a merge of before-the-war armoured MG post from italian operas and Panzernest , also seems that a mix of elements form war and after war panzernests was used.

Anything else?

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Re: MG-Panzernest and variations

Postby mmdesp » 26 Jan 2014 08:50

Hello friend herring. Parts.

- (Panzernest German Version).
If there are small variations in manufacturing. According manufacturers.

Known manufacturers.
codes waffenamt third reich
................. (Krupp). several codes.
agh ......... (Saarländisches STAHLWERK Dingler, Karcher & Cie. GmbH).
akh ......... (Bergische Stahlindustrie Kg A. A.).
HV .......... (Horder Verein).
+30...........(unknown).

Note the panzernest not think codes are KRUPP.
Can anyone provide a photograph with code panzernest KRUPP?

Panzernest code agh
Image
http://s27.postimg.org/iz8wga4lv/Panzernest2_4.jpg
Panzernest code akh
Image
http://s28.postimg.org/ia07y5gpp/akh.jpg
Panzernest code HV
Image
http://s23.postimg.org/qysafyuej/b7846210.jpg

Panzernest code +30
Does anyone know the unknown code?
Image
http://s13.postimg.org/c4icsaoxj/image.jpg

Anybody know any new code? Please photograph.

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Re: MG-Panzernest and variations

Postby herring » 26 Jan 2014 15:29

I'm not sure if:

30
+

it's a manufacturers code.
There is a number of photos with 2 or 3-digit codes, e.g. : 12,19, 24, 28, 238 with no additional markings.


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