unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by Chazette » 09 Feb 2014 12:16

I'am not a specialist of OBL Holland (is Jos) but At the date 25/7/1944
5 x 656 are planned and only one is built at this date
but the all missing are built after this date
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by jopaerya » 09 Feb 2014 12:19

Hello Tom

The numbers of the 622 are counted together with the 502 and the 621 with the 501, so we can't use these numbers :|

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by jopaerya » 09 Feb 2014 12:22

Hi Alain

Jack is right , but I don't know the date the bunkers were poured

Koveltemp ( Stp.Gr. Delfzijl ) 1 x
Vennen ( Stp.Gr. Delfzijl ) 1 x
Geefweesterweg ( Stp.Gr. Delfzijl ) 1 x
Uitwiederweg ( Stp.Gr. Delfzijl ) 1 x
W.N. 73 Kernwerk ( Festung IJmuiden ) 3 x M
Stp. Mammutgerät Kijkduin ( Stp.Gr. Scheveningen ) 1 x
W.N. 23 HaKo ( Festung Hoek van Holland ) 1 x M
Utrecht 1 x

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P.S. Please note the bunker from Delfzijl are counted in the German Bucht

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by buran » 10 Feb 2014 08:54

Bunkerfreak wrote:Wasnt there another 656 on the belgian soil which is discovered and destroyed some years ago? i think it was in koksijde.
Yes, but it was already partially destroyed:

http://atlantikwallbelgiumboulogne.boxh ... der656.htm

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by AvB » 12 Feb 2014 10:28

Malcolm, 2 x 656 at Alderney? That's new for me, still there? :D
3 x 656 at Hindenburg, still there?

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by moonraker » 12 Feb 2014 11:42

hi

the new 656 find sector QU mesuread .

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exemples French and Belgium measure.

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and quenèville S18

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 11:53

Thanks Etienne
We see in the ones our team has measured there is at least one who is constructed in mirror
also we see something peculiar... Not one is constructed as indicated as on the german identification plan (which in reality is an essay plan for the 656 and who is changed in the definitive form of which you placed many plans
Has anybody plans of 656 in danemark
here the "essay plan" for a 656 (never constructed)
00 va 1.jpg
another example of using archives....
Its a very good plan but it must also be said that it s a german archive plan (never constructed like this)
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 11:59

Here the differences in the pre construction 656 and the real 656 we find everywhere
the german plan (never constructed)
00 va 2.jpg
the reality
00 va 3.jpg
we see clearly that they changed the gaslock ....
why we can t say maybe they used an old 621 and change it in a 656 ... we will never know ...
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Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 12:08

here a BRV drawing with a 656 and we see also the "enlarged gaslock" as in france and belgium
00 va 1.jpg
(for the purists this 656 is equiped with the 58a type Tobruk )
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 12:15

an other detail Tobruk 58a (as drawing I 578 i mean )

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by JKernwerk » 12 Feb 2014 18:06

Hi Arthur,
I believe it was published on the AHF.
They were built in the pier of the harbour.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=163735
You even commented on the discovery!
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by Chazette » 12 Feb 2014 20:01

Please the 58c arrive in september 1942
the 58c in febrary 1943
the 668 the 30/3/1943

and you says the a is before the c ? (58a)
Have you proofs of the existence of one 58a on a German plan
No proofs to 58a = no 58a
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by Chazette » 12 Feb 2014 20:06

For 656 it is more complex there are different models (version doubles or at the back of a bunker) and it does not look like any more one 656, but they are also 656

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 20:20

Please Alain
i quote you
and you says the a is before the c ? (58a)
Have you proofs of the existence of one 58a on a German plan
No proofs to 58a = no 58a
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see our PDF (there free) about our Tobruk investigation
Here a german document
stating clearly 2 x 58a and 9 x 58c
norway%20aalesund.jpg
a better view perhaps
00.jpg
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 20:36

what has a 668 constructing date to do with it ? i can t follow your thinking ....
a 58a can be build at any type , 622 , 621 , 669 ; 667 do you wanna see some plans ?
here we see one at a 680
axis6.jpg
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