unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 20:42

as for a modified 656 ++++ it stays a 656 yes and so is the gaslock , as on any constructed 656 and not as the german pre production plan let us see....
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by Chazette » 12 Feb 2014 20:56

For me the 58a it is a fault of print and no german plan Regelbau of this exists with is number

and for you the Normal is 58b is that ?
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by Chazette » 12 Feb 2014 20:59

And even if the 58a existed (see the ranglist) it would be single Tobruk and not with a shelter because 668 which possesses this type of Tobruk he has written there never 58a

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 21:04

where did i ever say this is a Bf 58b ?
i don t know a 58b yet ...
what you let us see Alain is simply a "offener beobachter"
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you can see it is no 58 type , it has even it s own I nr for a plan
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 21:06

if you wanna discuss tobruks OK by me we open a new topic here
but in this one we stick to the 656 ok?

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by Chazette » 12 Feb 2014 21:09

yes i know it is no 58 or 58b
but no 58a !!!
but if you want to said that is your choice ! no me
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 21:14

621 utah plan089.jpg
here we see a plan of you in the book Utah beach
in reality you have taken a german plan of the prototype of a 656 ... this is no problem at all for me because it is written this is a 656 in german but when you use this kind of prototype plans you must say it
because the reality is this plan
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you see what i mean when one has to do check , recheck and double check ...
I ll know i havn t the time for writing a book but we have the time to go out and search in the field
You has the time for writing but obvious have not the time for a verification in the field
That s why we (our group) are posting so many plans ... So that writers can use them because their making other things as we

So continue all in our field of work
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by Chazette » 12 Feb 2014 21:35

yes make check , recheck and double check ...
exemple
left my drawing , middle your plan (missing some like me) and Drawing P.Fleuridas.

Miss the staircase, the tank is not completely just and your plan is a restangle????) patrick's plan realized since your plan gives this shelter of full foot but in reality there is a staircase (it changes the shape a lot)
Thus you have so many false plans as me ! :milwink:
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Feb 2014 21:43

please MP for this
this is 656

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by Chazette » 12 Feb 2014 21:58

Please you show my errors by scanning pages of my books and nobody here has to see your errors!!!?
Too easy to say in MP when it turns in your disadvantage and I have a lot of plan of false Dirk

Tu montres mes erreurs en scannant des pages de mes livres et personne ici ne doit voir tes erreurs !!!?
trop facile de dire en MP quand cela tourne à ton désavantage et j'ai beaucoup de plan de Dirk faux
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by myt1prod » 23 Nov 2014 20:27

back to the 656 at nieuwpoort
here some more photo's by one of Nieuwpoorts' city counselors; One still during the constructionworks on the new WW1-museum and two photos of the bunker in (almost) full glory (apart from the last small tasks and clean-up to be done).

Now that the museum (and hopefully the bunker also) is open for the public, I will go and have a look one of these days to take some interiour photos (and measurements) to share on the forum.

I didn't know before now, that also the masonry brick stairs and pavement are still in tact... nice to see how well all is being preserved and restored in it's original state.
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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by der bunkermann » 24 Nov 2014 09:36

Nice to see another bunker being restored!
Gr, Tim

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Re: unknown bunker/stutzpunkt found at Nieuwpoort (BE)

Post by dirk Peeters » 24 Nov 2014 10:40

wow great
I m gonna take a visit

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