Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by Chazette » 10 Feb 2014, 18:43

Walls have to be 2 meter at each side, and not as on the SHM plan 1 m 50 on the frontal (enemy side)

no is good 1,5 meter on all plan i see here
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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by dirk Peeters » 10 Feb 2014, 18:52

excuse me the walls are 2 meter
But you can make them 1m 50 it s a free world ...
SHM states also 2 meter and if you make the walls 1m 50 it s even worse at the interior
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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by Chazette » 10 Feb 2014, 18:57

excuse me i see only 1,5 m on ALL Plan !
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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by dterrier » 10 Feb 2014, 19:12

S_haule wrote:
dterrier wrote:Hello Jos,


I have found this drawing of the Leitstand of batt Hessen in the book of Yannick Rose "1940/1944 L'Artillerie Côtière de L'Est Cotentin HKAR1261" on page 124.
This leitstand was belonging in 1942 to the S.B. (k) 317.

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You can see that In comparison with the drawing i think of Dirk Peeters of the Leitstand of batt St Adress that both leitstands as you mentioned are the same model.

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Grtz.

Dirk T.
Dear Dirk T.

I'm agree ta share information but anyway, I like to decide by myselft what I want to share in forums! It is the only existing measurement of the Fort de Ste Adresse Leitstand made before it was covered with earth

Thanks to Dirk Peeters for having underline that I'm the maker of this drawing.

Regards,

Sébastien Haule

OK not a problem Mr. Haule. I didn't know that the drawing was from you. I ask next time at Dirk P. if the drawing iss from him or not.

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by dirk Peeters » 10 Feb 2014, 19:15

Obs 01 plan078.jpg
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Here it is rooms corrected , exterior walls like SHM indicated 2 meters all around
Only i have a problem with the entrance
I ll think error and it has to be like Seb Haule his plan but for that we can t be sure without pictures
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Here is your plan its even marked AC BP but in reality it is SHM so beter say it s SHM plan in the future if as you say you didn t enter it
We never write down we measured a bunker without entering
You can easily see in our plans which one hasn t been measured at all... (no written measurements inside)
Like on the Kora Karolla plans of the gunpits (see on this forum)
the parts we didn t measure are without measurements

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by dirk Peeters » 10 Feb 2014, 19:25

as you say ... all plans have 1 m 50 in front ..... normal then if the backside is 2 meter as indicated on your plan...Where do you ever find a bunker with this (enemy side 1 m 50 rear side 2 meter ... It s not logical but if you wish it s a free world
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I used your plan Alain .... go and see all the other plans also ... All are using the same errors .....as SHM started it

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by dirk Peeters » 10 Feb 2014, 19:51

You are absolutely right for the "interior wall of 1 m 50 even i put it in my drawing
but a little more to the left and right it becomes 2 meter
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Why do i think that ?
Logic see german plan of 636 ....
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you see it s also like that 1 m 50 for the " interior wall" and two meter when it becomes exterior ...
And this is logic Alain that s why even the the german drawing gives 1 m 50 and 2 meter like we did from the first time
and sorry for the SHM drawing (and others) they are full of errors ....

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by Chazette » 10 Feb 2014, 21:13

yes i'am agree with you !
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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by dirk Peeters » 10 Feb 2014, 21:33

haha you change quickly
at post nr 46 and 48 (18h48) you stated something else
But ok
glad you changed your opinion because of our proofs
we ll continue to share info for all here and work together
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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by Chazette » 10 Feb 2014, 21:38

I had to look and to understand well that you stand out in English which is not my language and furthermore I had to look for the children in the judo thus I was not behind my computer
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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by kstdk » 11 Feb 2014, 20:58

Hello

Obviously there were a lot of german positions around La Pernelle, according to maps.

Anyone who can explain the different positions for me?

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by moonraker » 11 Feb 2014, 21:10

hi kurt,
here the WN 162 position lufwaffe station en 1944.
the barrack wood,the bermhardand the laufgraben.

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by moonraker » 11 Feb 2014, 21:26

area wn 144 in 05/1944.
position heere and artillerie. peilstand 637.

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by moonraker » 11 Feb 2014, 22:52

for your info pernelle 2 no place in WN 147 because is lufwaffe.

battery 10/1261 for 17cm, neither code and position never finish.

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Re: Commandposts La Pernelle and St Adresse

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Post by moonraker » 11 Feb 2014, 23:52

the big tank water dish up to construct 688.


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