What kind of AAA is this?

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What kind of AAA is this?

Post by Korbius » 24 Apr 2003 10:23

I took this image last summer in a museum. What type of AA gun could it be?

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Post by Matt L » 24 Apr 2003 10:40

Hi Korbius,

That looks like the main gun of a Panther- a KwK42 L/70- certainly not an antiaircraft gun...

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Post by Korbius » 24 Apr 2003 11:16

The base is strange though, I don't think it could be a panther's main gun, probably some italian AT gun.

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Post by Atilla » 24 Apr 2003 11:44

Looks like a PaK 43 without the gunshield to me


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Post by Korbius » 24 Apr 2003 14:42

The Pak 43 is too big compared to the one above, and I don't think there were any Pak 43s in Albania because thats where I took the image.

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Post by Erik E » 24 Apr 2003 19:04

Looks like a PaK 43 without the gunshield to me


Me too......
The max elevation of a pak43 was 40 degrees. Not easy to tell if the one on Korbius` photo has a higher elevation??

There was also a similar called K43 which was an artillery version. I have no photos to compare with, but anyway, it looks German :D

Nice photo btw :wink:


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Post by Korbius » 24 Apr 2003 20:03

The base of the cannon in my image seems to be very small compared to the Pak 43. It's strange though but I heard that this cannon along with some others were placed in elevated areas close to a seaport when there was the german occupation.

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Post by Erik E » 24 Apr 2003 20:46

The base of the cannon in my image seems to be very small


It looks like the 2 "foldable feets" on the sides are missing.....

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Post by Von_Mannteufel » 25 Apr 2003 03:57

looks like some weird model 88 L/71 PaK 43 gun.. maybe took from unfinished or disabled tiger II or jagdpanther..

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Post by Korbius » 25 Apr 2003 11:06

Von_Mannteufel wrote:looks like some weird model 88 L/71 PaK 43 gun.. maybe took from unfinished or disabled tiger II or jagdpanther..


There were no heavy/medium tanks in Albania, so that's why I don't think it belongs to a tank.

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Post by Korbius » 25 Apr 2003 11:08

Erik E wrote:It looks like the 2 "foldable feets" on the sides are missing.....

Erik


Actually you are right, it seems like the foldable feet have been removed. Maybe AT units that were retreating from Greece left this behind on the way or it was captured by the partisans.

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Post by Von_Mannteufel » 26 Apr 2003 03:49

didn't know it was albania..

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Post by Matt L » 26 Apr 2003 07:46

Yeah, now that I look at it again, it does look like a Pak43- the first time I though it had a one-piece barrel like the Panther's gun. I lightened up the image and filtered some of that orange at the lower left- and, yup, I think Atilla, et al. are right. Who knows what was done to it after the war- I wouldn't be at all surprised if the new owners modified it- they definitely removed the shield, maybe they messed with the lafette too. Given the enormous size of the ammunition, it doesn't look like it'd be easy to load in that position though...

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Post by Korbius » 26 Apr 2003 08:09

Well, thanks a lot for the help guys! :wink:

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