L 487 Bertha

Discussions on the fortifications, artillery, & rockets used by the Axis forces.
User avatar
SES
In memoriam
Posts: 3936
Joined: 26 Jan 2004 09:07
Location: 05 ON LT 8

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by SES » 23 Mar 2014 22:23

Hi,
Date Betoniert:

SCHAKAL 10 May 1944.
HYÄNE 16 November 1943.
HABICHT 9 Marts 1943.
LAMA 25 September 1944.
RINGELNATTER 1 November 1944.
BÜFFEL 5 Marts 1943.

It took about two months to complete the bunker after it was cast.
bregds
SES

User avatar
dirk Peeters
Member
Posts: 6568
Joined: 24 May 2011 20:18
Location: Heist op den Berg Belgium

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by dirk Peeters » 24 Mar 2014 07:43

Thanks SES
so we have to see what Hyane and Habicht look like .... to see if they are the same type of Buffel
Tingelnatter and Lama can also be the same
Anyone can confirm ?

jopaerya
Member
Posts: 19101
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 13:21
Location: middelburg

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by jopaerya » 25 Mar 2014 17:48

Hi Dirk and SES

I have checked the drawings of the L 487 in Holland but all three have two opening
in the floor . So the one at at Kryle ( Ringelnatter ) with one opening is special .

Regards Jos

User avatar
SES
In memoriam
Posts: 3936
Joined: 26 Jan 2004 09:07
Location: 05 ON LT 8

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by SES » 25 Mar 2014 19:18

Hi Jos,
Could you possibly post the drawings please?
bregds
SES

jopaerya
Member
Posts: 19101
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 13:21
Location: middelburg

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by jopaerya » 25 Mar 2014 19:31

Hello SES

There are parts of the drawings , I have no one complete drawing of the three L 487 .

Regards Jos

User avatar
SES
In memoriam
Posts: 3936
Joined: 26 Jan 2004 09:07
Location: 05 ON LT 8

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by SES » 25 Mar 2014 19:36

Hi Jos,
Thanks.
bregds
SES

User avatar
dirk Peeters
Member
Posts: 6568
Joined: 24 May 2011 20:18
Location: Heist op den Berg Belgium

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Mar 2014 08:59

thabks Jos for your help
i found also something
Blavandshuk we have one seeburg tish higher then the oter
00 b.jpg
in Oostvoorne we see the same ...
00 a.jpg
but here it is in reverse , the higher and the lower are exanged from place
Is there a difference between the models of these tables ?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
SES
In memoriam
Posts: 3936
Joined: 26 Jan 2004 09:07
Location: 05 ON LT 8

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by SES » 26 Mar 2014 09:30

Hi,
Good observation. There should be no difference in height, but it does indicate two different versions of the Seeburg Tisch.
bregds
SES

User avatar
dirk Peeters
Member
Posts: 6568
Joined: 24 May 2011 20:18
Location: Heist op den Berg Belgium

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Mar 2014 09:37

in Hjaerdemal Christenminde there is another model of seeburg tisch
only one but it seems to me that there were two openings in the floor
00 a.jpg
00 b.jpg
00 c.jpg
but its maybe possible that there was only one opening in the floor (looking at the seeburgtisch platform but i ll think its speculating for that
but we see clearly that the room at the bottom is not divided in two like in blavand or at Kryle
for Thyboron
we see clearly one opening in the floor
(look out guys this bunker is flooded be very very carefull)
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
dirk Peeters
Member
Posts: 6568
Joined: 24 May 2011 20:18
Location: Heist op den Berg Belgium

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Mar 2014 09:38

Thyboron
00 d.jpg
from the cellar (flooded dangerous)
00 e.jpg
we see another thing one of the great openings here is bricked up (the first time we see it in this kind of a L 487 so there are really modifications at each one
hope to terminate the plans in a few weeks
Dirk
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
SES
In memoriam
Posts: 3936
Joined: 26 Jan 2004 09:07
Location: 05 ON LT 8

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by SES » 26 Mar 2014 09:43

Hi Dirk,
Thanks for the pictures from HYÄNE. There might be a difference in the height of the legs of the table, but the turn tables must be in the same distance from the glass plate. So the version with the short legs could be mounted on the four small brick columns.
bregds
SES

User avatar
dirk Peeters
Member
Posts: 6568
Joined: 24 May 2011 20:18
Location: Heist op den Berg Belgium

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Mar 2014 09:57

OK Thanks SES looks we got new bits of info for these bunkers
Thyboron shall be measured ( if it s still open) in early september ... The others i ll hope in april ....

User avatar
dirk Peeters
Member
Posts: 6568
Joined: 24 May 2011 20:18
Location: Heist op den Berg Belgium

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Mar 2014 10:00

here the heights of ringelnatter (one seeburg tisch)
Ringelnatter OV (2).jpg
Dirk
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
dirk Peeters
Member
Posts: 6568
Joined: 24 May 2011 20:18
Location: Heist op den Berg Belgium

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Mar 2014 10:21

Oostvoorne
as Jos said two seeburg tisches and also different heights
00 a.jpg
but here the room is not divided in two .... another variant ? or BRV has not put the brick wall ...
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
dirk Peeters
Member
Posts: 6568
Joined: 24 May 2011 20:18
Location: Heist op den Berg Belgium

Re: L 487 Bertha

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Mar 2014 10:22

Hope soon to do the same with the L 479 in France ...... looks also that there are different models (at least already three versions but no time for doing this now

Return to “Fortifications, Artillery, & Rockets”