Vf LAG

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 04 Jul 2016 12:29

StP Brunhilde is a special one with the Tobruk room transformed in a ammo room
The Tobruk apears to be constructed separated from the bunker so we can skip this one from the list
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby myt1prod » 04 Jul 2016 12:36

dirk Peeters wrote:
00 1.jpg
Jean , it s StP Dogge , the other one is a 630 but the VF LAG isn t identified as such
its possible though
it could be this one
but this photo was marked 630 by Hans Sakkers
although a few years back we identified it as a 630 ....
00 1a.jpg

it looks very similar as the other 630 no?


at the left of the sharte there is the pronounced square part which is typical for the Vf LAG... so i'm not so convinced it's a 630, neither I am shure about it being a Vf LAG... but it has the typical square left (or right in some cases) of the sharte....

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 04 Jul 2016 13:21

the VF is much smaller than a 630 Jean
so if this is a LAG and not an MG it should be imense in the interior so another model and we can t take it up in the list
PS the left bunker we have many pictures so this is confirmed as a 630 (photos by Hans sakkers, Jos Vogel et Johan den Hollander in the eighties
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 04 Jul 2016 14:01

Brunhilde we can skip also from the list
its plan
00 weg 2.jpg

and the german plan for this style bunker
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby Chazette » 04 Jul 2016 14:28

For me 1 copy to Kurt
1 copy to Kriemhilde
all less Tobruk

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 04 Jul 2016 15:08

je vais cherchez

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 04 Jul 2016 15:31

Kriemhilde for me also a 219 or maybe 612 it is certainly a St
but my aerial picture is not that good but it is bigger than a 134 .... also there is a OB next to it so that is why i think 612 and SHM gives a photo there of a 612 .....
Both are photografed by SHM
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby Chazette » 04 Jul 2016 15:34

kurt
AAz 4-7-2016.jpg

AAA CDP1195_0005.jpg

Kriemhilde
AA 4-7-2016.jpg
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 04 Jul 2016 15:37

Kurt you are right
without Tobruk but this is a third model
VF LAG Leo.jpg

this one is at least build two times

StP Kurt and StP Leo
attention StP Leo has also the " normal or type I VF LAG

maybe we call version a , the second b and the third c ?
Otherwise nobody is going to see trough
if i have the time i ll do this tomorrow
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 04 Jul 2016 15:41

mmm your Kriemhilde picture is better as mine ... and there on your picture it can be so
tomorrow i ll search
Is Kriemhilde for you "ferme Rosseel" as SHM Calls it ....
because it is very difficult to place them right , all is changed
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 04 Jul 2016 20:43

here a few pictures of the one at Kurt
Photos Jos Vogel and hans sakkers
AA.jpg
BB.jpg
CC.jpg

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby Chazette » 04 Jul 2016 21:05

is not the same model like the plan of le platier

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 05 Jul 2016 07:19

what do you mean ?
We visited it a long time ago and the measures we took correspond with the Leo type , also the interior pictures give the same layout
i even have interior pictures ....
00.jpg

and a picture of PF where we good can see the strange ammo room placement
00 1.jpg

the only thing i can think of is the concrete block in the gun opening
the germans made that smaller and that is the only thing (not measured because i thought it was installedafter the war) but remember this was in the early nineties so ...
do you have a plan of it ?
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 05 Jul 2016 07:23

here we see the block that isn t on the plan of le Platier...
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 05 Jul 2016 09:35

i m gonna divide this topic in three different models
first the most constructed one

the VF LAG model A
VF LAG model A.jpg

15 KVA A1
2 x StP Lohengrin

15 KVA A2
1 x WN Tobruk
1 x StP Gneisenau

15 KVA A3
2 x StP Roon
2 x StP Wrangel
1 x StP von Rundstedt

15 KVA B
2 x StP Eduard
1 x StP Luise
1 x StP Leo
1 x StP Bernard
1 x StP August
1 x StP Anna
2 x StP Detlev

Sudwall
2 x Bttr Gruisson
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