Vf LAG

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by der bunkermann » 07 Jul 2016 05:35

Ok, maybe a silly question, but how about the 20X 625 on the landfront of stp. Gr Scheveningen.. are those also LAG? They were equipped with PaK guns.
What is the excact defenition of LAG?

Edit: after looking at the previous page i understand that it'about the purpose of the gun and bunker, not the type of gun or bunker.
In Scheveningen all the 625 are PaK stande, so to protect the stp. Gr. Against armoured vehicles.

Could it be that the type of ammunition is also a factor?

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 06:21

Thanks you all for you re cooperation
Bunkermann
i ll let others answer about LAG

anyway with all the new info we have
model a (zeichnung nr 187)
i ll surprised to see with the plans we have that only one bunker has walls of 1 meter (BRV k 184)
all the others are smaller , from 40 cm to 90 , roof is mostly 60 cm thick
So we can say practically all are Felsmassige ausbau
here the list of these (all same model , same scharte etc (a few cm can they change but not much)
the ones in red
there is no plan available

Model a

15 KVA A1
1 x StP Lohengrin
2 x StP Meistersinger
2 x StP Zoppot

15 KVA A2
1 x StP Tobruk
1 x StP Gneisenau

15 KVA A3
2 x StP Wrangel
2 x StP Roon
1 x StP von Rundstedt


15 KVA B
2 x StP Eduard
1 x StP Anna
1 x StP August
1 x StP Bernhard
1 x StP Leo
1 x StP Luise

Sudwall
2 x Bttr Gruisson
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Re: Vf LAG

Post by dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 06:25

new list model b (also only felsmassige ausbau)
15 KVA B

1 x StP Beate (brick)
2 x StP Detlev
1 x StP Adolf (brick)
2 x StP Dorian
1 x StP Grete
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Re: Vf LAG

Post by dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 08:07

model b
Here we can say the Tobruk is not "the Ausfuhrung des Ringstandes nach Regelbau 58c but the older version like VF 8
maybe this is an older model than the zeichnung 187 version which could be the latest (and final?) version
but this is speculation for the moment
we see in model b and model c that some of these bunkers are build in bricks ( at least beate and Adolf are brick versions (maybe more....)

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by myt1prod » 07 Jul 2016 08:53

anna and brunhilde are also brick

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 08:59

ok Thanks Jean
Anna is in concrete Jean
StP Anna.jpg
Brunhilde is model c so also "older version"
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Re: Vf LAG

Post by myt1prod » 07 Jul 2016 11:16

indeed dirk, Anna is concrete... i was mistaken by the masonry building just next to it

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 11:30

so up til now
only the " older" type is in masonry or bricks
but it is only a speculation for the moment
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Re: Vf LAG

Post by myt1prod » 07 Jul 2016 19:36

I went and had a look at Stp Reichenau... apart from a wellblech in ruins and scattered pieces of brick, concrete and metal... nothing to see.

except some interesting scrapmetal in a backyard which i will be posting in the appropriate topic

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by dirk Peeters » 08 Jul 2016 08:46

ok thanks Jean
so another wellblech and maybe a VF LAG or better Felsmassige Bau LAG
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Re: Vf LAG

Post by myt1prod » 08 Jul 2016 09:21

(and a scrapmetal turret which i posted in the appropriate topic)

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by myt1prod » 20 Mar 2017 19:13

another one to add to the list:
Stp. Aster - Bray-Dunes

topic: viewtopic.php?f=70&t=227554

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by myt1prod » 29 Mar 2017 17:48

When having a closer look at the LAG bunker at Adolf (KVA B) it seems to be a category on it's own!
It is a very unique LAG, which was built in concrete (not shure about the backside adaptation; could be brick), it had a doorway which was built in a 45° angle on the side wall which served as a passage to a regelbau ringstand which stood against the doorway itself. The backside adaption creating a sideways entrance makes it even more unique; the wall where the entrance sits is straight, in line with the bunker itself, the other side is angled possibly to create enough inside space to manoeuvre the canon which has to make a 90° turn inside the bunker.

on the below left arial we can see that the ringstand seems to be attached to the bunker which is still nicely embedded in the landscape... on which we assumed it was a LAG bunker with integrated ringstand. We also notice that there is no possibillity for an extra straight entrance on the backside.

On the below right areial we can see the bunker sitting 'naked' on top of the landscape... we can clearly see the sideways doorway passage to the ringstand which is now toppled over an laying next to the flanking wall. The backside adaptation on this aerial looks strange... due to the strange shadows on the backside adaptation one would suspect a second straight entrace, but the left aerial shows this is impossible. So the strange shadows must indicate some small structures which stood on the roof of the backside adaptation. On this aerial we also see the angled backwall, possibly to manoeuvre the canon around.
LAG Adolf.jpg
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Re: Vf LAG

Post by Bunkerfreak » 11 Feb 2018 18:53

today we removed the sand from the gunroom from this VF LaG in StP Brunhilde (15 KVA B). we found this nice socle, any idea if it has a type?
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Best Regards, Tom Oliviers

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Re: Vf LAG

Post by jopaerya » 11 Feb 2018 19:56

What a beauty Tom :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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