Vf LAG

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby der bunkermann » 07 Jul 2016 05:35

Ok, maybe a silly question, but how about the 20X 625 on the landfront of stp. Gr Scheveningen.. are those also LAG? They were equipped with PaK guns.
What is the excact defenition of LAG?

Edit: after looking at the previous page i understand that it'about the purpose of the gun and bunker, not the type of gun or bunker.
In Scheveningen all the 625 are PaK stande, so to protect the stp. Gr. Against armoured vehicles.

Could it be that the type of ammunition is also a factor?

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 06:21

Thanks you all for you re cooperation
Bunkermann
i ll let others answer about LAG

anyway with all the new info we have
model a (zeichnung nr 187)
i ll surprised to see with the plans we have that only one bunker has walls of 1 meter (BRV k 184)
all the others are smaller , from 40 cm to 90 , roof is mostly 60 cm thick
So we can say practically all are Felsmassige ausbau
here the list of these (all same model , same scharte etc (a few cm can they change but not much)
the ones in red
there is no plan available

Model a

15 KVA A1
1 x StP Lohengrin
2 x StP Meistersinger
2 x StP Zoppot

15 KVA A2
1 x StP Tobruk
1 x StP Gneisenau

15 KVA A3
2 x StP Wrangel
2 x StP Roon
1 x StP von Rundstedt


15 KVA B
2 x StP Eduard
1 x StP Anna
1 x StP August
1 x StP Bernhard
1 x StP Leo
1 x StP Luise

Sudwall
2 x Bttr Gruisson
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 06:25

new list model b (also only felsmassige ausbau)
15 KVA B

1 x StP Beate (brick)
2 x StP Detlev
1 x StP Adolf (brick)
2 x StP Dorian
1 x StP Grete
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 08:07

model b
Here we can say the Tobruk is not "the Ausfuhrung des Ringstandes nach Regelbau 58c but the older version like VF 8
maybe this is an older model than the zeichnung 187 version which could be the latest (and final?) version
but this is speculation for the moment
we see in model b and model c that some of these bunkers are build in bricks ( at least beate and Adolf are brick versions (maybe more....)

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby myt1prod » 07 Jul 2016 08:53

anna and brunhilde are also brick

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 08:59

ok Thanks Jean
Anna is in concrete Jean
StP Anna.jpg

Brunhilde is model c so also "older version"
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby myt1prod » 07 Jul 2016 11:16

indeed dirk, Anna is concrete... i was mistaken by the masonry building just next to it

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 07 Jul 2016 11:30

so up til now
only the " older" type is in masonry or bricks
but it is only a speculation for the moment
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Re: Vf LAG

Postby myt1prod » 07 Jul 2016 19:36

I went and had a look at Stp Reichenau... apart from a wellblech in ruins and scattered pieces of brick, concrete and metal... nothing to see.

except some interesting scrapmetal in a backyard which i will be posting in the appropriate topic

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby dirk Peeters » 08 Jul 2016 08:46

ok thanks Jean
so another wellblech and maybe a VF LAG or better Felsmassige Bau LAG
Dirk

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby myt1prod » 08 Jul 2016 09:21

(and a scrapmetal turret which i posted in the appropriate topic)

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Re: Vf LAG

Postby myt1prod » 20 Mar 2017 19:13

another one to add to the list:
Stp. Aster - Bray-Dunes

topic: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=227554


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