Panther Bodenturm

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 26 May 2018, 11:32

Looks like given 3 locations, all in triangle Pustochka - Opochka - Sebezh. Reiher Stellung and Stp Opochka - in back of Panther Stellung. In general in half-way between Vitebsk and Pskov (Belarussia - Russia)

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by jopaerya » 26 May 2018, 11:33

Thanks Herring


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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 26 May 2018, 12:35

Herring already made it-thanks :)

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 26 May 2018, 20:11

Looks like it's earliest Pantherturm locations in the East, also the most eastwards. In that area there were supposed to be 16 Pz.Kw.Turmen (no indication what type) .

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by forttravel » 27 May 2018, 11:41

herring wrote:Looks like given 3 locations, all in triangle Pustochka - Opochka - Sebezh. Reiher Stellung and Stp Opochka - in back of Panther Stellung. In general in half-way between Vitebsk and Pskov (Belarussia - Russia)
Here a general and detailed map of above position from the some document as pictures posted by @andrew.
More pictures with other tank turrets bunker versions (no Panther) from this position I posted in our adequate topic: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... s#p2137535
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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 28 May 2018, 00:42

Hello Piotr,

Really a fantastic map!
According to a bit twisted soviet logics "statyonarnaya ustanovka s orudiynoi bashney tipa "Ferdinand" (105mm orudiye)" means probably Pantherturm?

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 28 May 2018, 21:58

Hello
Thanks for photos Andrzej.
Looks like given 3 locations, all in triangle Pustochka - Opochka - Sebezh. Reiher Stellung and Stp Opochka - in back of Panther Stellung. In general in half-way between Vitebsk and Pskov (Belarussia - Russia)
Here is a map (from Wikipedia article “Fester Platz”, coloured markings made by me) with the 3 locations (green circle). The photos published in this forum until now indicates, that at least 4 Stahlunterstände with Pantherturm Ausf. D were shipped to the East (numbers 7(?), 24(?), 39 and 40).
The orange spots on the map indicate locations for 16 Panthertürme mentioned in Panzer Tracts #21.2. Those 16 turrets were fitted with an additional smoke mortar, and thus they must have been Ostwalltürme (F.Pz.DT 4341). Probably the very first batch of this type of turret, since they were shipped to the East already in April 1944.
Probably a total of as many as 45-50 Pantherturmstahlunterstände were sent to the Ostwall (Dnjepr/Pripyat/Bug etc.) during the spring of 1944 (based on information in Panzer Tracts #21.2). But still not much for an 1800 km long fortification line.
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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 28 May 2018, 23:13

Hello Lars,
Picture missing??

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 28 May 2018, 23:47

Right herring. Here it is.
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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 28 May 2018, 23:49

No it is not. Seems that I have some attachment problems. I'll try again.
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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 28 May 2018, 23:53

Here is the drawing (hopefully)

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by jopaerya » 29 May 2018, 08:56

It must be a very special map, Lars :D :D :D :D

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 29 May 2018, 09:42

it must be stealth technology :o
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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 29 May 2018, 20:29

You may be right Andrzej. Unfortunately I am not able to unstealth it :-D Seems that my old pc was partially knocked out by a software upgrade a few days ago.
The map is not a very special one, homemade and just indicating the position in the Pustoshka-Opochka-Sebezh triangle (3x Pantherturm) and Luninets-Brest-Kovel (16x Panther-Otwallturm).
greetings Lars

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by forttravel » 29 May 2018, 22:08

Here a map made by Lars.
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