Hamburg Flaktower

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Hamburg Flaktower

Post by Toto » 16 May 2003 01:19

Hi! Does anyone know anything about this odd looking building?
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It's location is Feldstrasse/Hamburg/Germany. When in in Hamburg I've been passing this 'concrete castle' several times and allways wondered what kind of building is was. Just recently I've been told it's a WW2 flakturm (flak tower).

Is this information right? And if not, what is it?

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Post by sylvieK4 » 16 May 2003 01:29

It is a flak tower. There is a page about flak towers that actually discusses that one, and has more pictures of it from different perspectives.

http://www.lostplaces.de/index.html?/fl ... index.html

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Post by Toto » 16 May 2003 12:38

Thanks for the information and link SylvieK4.

Still I'd like to know more about it. Like when it was buildt, what it looked like during WW2 (photos?) and why it is still standing as it's not exactly nice looking and located in such a central part of Hamburg. What is its purpose today?

And when talking about Hamburg...

...maybe there are some more interesting WW2 related sights in that aeria? Please feel free to tell if you know something.

Another thing - Hamburg was hit hard by allied bombs but still there are lots of old buildings. One should think most of them were buildt later than 1945, but that's not the case. I know the harbour was hit hard but rest of the city seems largely intact. How was it possible for the bombcrews to miss such large structures as the Central station or the Town Hall wich obviously are older than WW2. Good thing they missed as those are nice buildings, but still?

As you may understand, I visit Hamburg quite often and would like to know more about everything WW2 related to this great and nice city. It would make my stays there far more intresting I think. So, anyone who knows anything WW2 related about this second biggest German city, please feel free to inform in this thread.

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Post by Erik E » 16 May 2003 18:08

and why it is still standing
These buildings are near to impossible to remove. A few were blown up in Berlin, but still, it was too expensive to take it away.....

About Hamburg....Have you seen this?

http://www.uboat.net/flotillas/bases/ha ... unkers.htm

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Post by Gen. Erwin Rommel » 16 May 2003 22:26

I was in Hamburg last summer, and some of my friends from Hamburg told me that, some years ago someone wanted to destory the towers and they used TNT but nearly no damage was pruduced. To destory them you need to use a huge quantity of TNT and that can be dangerous for nearby buildings and it is very expensive, so let the towers around is the best solution.

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Post by Xnomad » 17 May 2003 20:54

A lot of the buildings in Hamburg were rebuilt/restored most however, were damaged during operation Gomorrha when the British and Americans carpet bombed the city for several days and nights.

As far as I can remember the Hauptbahnhof (Central Station) was also damaged but was repaired, I think because most bombs were incendinary and the Station was/is mainly made of metal and glass.
(bear in mind that Hamburg had been destroyed by a fire 100 years before the war so most of the city was still relatively new compared to others in Germany.) I'm afraid I don't share the view of the original poster and feel that Hamburg looks like a city that was rebuilt after the war.

Most of the damage was in the residential areas in the East and North East of the city Hamm, Rothenburgsort, Horn, Barmbek etc.. If you go to these areas today you will notice that all the houses/apartment blocks are from the 50's.

These were destroyed during the fire storm. The British used a large amount of incedinary bombs to burn down the residential areas, this was during a rather hot spell during the summer and the result was that a storm of fire tore it's way through the city, it created winds so strong that trees were ripped out of the ground. The Storm sucked the oxygen out of the bunkers asphyxiating those sheltering inside, others were killed by the smoke and the incredible heat some were even sucked off their feet into the fire.

Around 65,000 people were killed during this operation, roughly the same amount of civilian casualties that the whole of Britain suffered from bombing during the duration of the war.


You won't hear much about the Battle for Hamburg as it was overshadowed by Dresden and the fact that it still is a bit of a taboo subject for the allied powers today (much like Dresden).

The deliberate bombing of residential areas in Germany by Bomber Command is one of the reasons why Goering was not charged with the bombing of Europe (Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry, Belgrade, Stalingrad, Guernica, London: Total 103,600 casualties) at the Nuremberg trials. If he had then Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris, head of Bomber Command, who was a firm believer of area bombing would have to be held accountable for the 600,000 civilian casualties brought about by the 1.35 million tons of bombs dropped on Germany during the war.

As you can tell I'm not a big fan of Harris and his area bombing campaign :-)

I don't want to start an area bombing debate just wanted to get that off my chest. :?

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Post by Toto » 18 May 2003 16:58

Thanks for great and informaitve answers Erik, Rommel and Xnomad. :)

And Xnomad...
Xnomad wrote: I'm afraid I don't share the view of the original poster and feel that Hamburg looks like a city that was rebuilt after the war.
...I totally agree with you on that. If it seemed differently in my post it's just my bad English.

The only thing I miss in this thread now are some photos of Known places in Hamburg during and after the war.

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Post by Erik E » 18 May 2003 17:15

This is a good one :wink:

http://www.kkoegel.de/index.html


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Post by Gen. Erwin Rommel » 18 May 2003 17:17

Nice pics, btw you have something similar but about Berlin?

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Post by Erik E » 18 May 2003 17:45

http://www.thirdreichruins.com/

Is a nice page made in "then/now" style.......


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Post by Gen. Erwin Rommel » 18 May 2003 17:54

Thanks a lot.

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Post by Toto » 19 May 2003 03:09

Wow Erik, what can I say? Great link(s). Thanks! Perfect. :)

How did you do that? :?

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Post by Von_Mannteufel » 19 May 2003 06:08

I belive it's indeed a flak tower, it's very simmilar to the 3 ones in berlin. It was very heavily armored and (I seen on history channel.. don't blame me) some german soldiers said when a shell hit the walls it made some small click click noise and only scratched the concrete. the tower was designed to withstand direct bombing from the allies (i bet they did it just right).

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Post by Kugelblitz » 19 May 2003 06:13

Great info!
I ever wanted to know about, that turrets was armed with 128mm flak right?

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Post by Marcus » 24 May 2003 14:55

You might find this site interesting: http://www.flaktuerme.com/

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