28 cm K5 camouflage

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28 cm K5 camouflage

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Post by Manuferey » 18 Sep 2016, 15:11

Going back to the two pictures of K5 guns with a 2-tone camouflage on page 7 of the thread “K5 Railway Artillery Gun” (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&start=90 ).
It looks like the light color is desert yellow. The only gun I know so far with such a camouflage was LEOPOLD in Italy, one of the two Anzio Annie/Express guns, ROBERT having a spotted camouflage.

Left side (from page 7 of the thread “K5 Railway Artillery Gun”):
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Here is another picture of a right side of 28 cm K5 with the same 2-tone camo. It would have to be Leopold if Leopold was indeed the only gun with this type of desert camo.
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Source: http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/P01835.081

If it is Leopold indeed on all 3 pictures, we would now know its actual WW2 camouflage which is slightly different from the current camouflage on display at Fort Lee, Virginia (previously at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland) and used on many commercial models.

Today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_K5# ... niegun.jpg
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_K5

What do you think ?

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Re: 28 cm K5 camouflage

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Post by ALVF » 18 Sep 2016, 16:51

Hello,

The third photograph is not a 28 cm K 5 but a british 14 in BL MK 3 railway gun of 1918.
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.


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Post by jopaerya » 18 Sep 2016, 17:48

According to the old Ebay caption this should be Berken , please note the cammo on the barrel looks the same as the first photo.

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Post by Manuferey » 18 Sep 2016, 21:13

jopaerya wrote:According to the old Ebay caption this should be Berken , please note the cammo on the barrel looks the same as the first photo.
Regards Jos
You're right, Jos.

And I found a Berken in North-Rhine Westphalia.

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ALVF wrote:Hello,
The third photograph is not a 28 cm K 5 but a british 14 in BL MK 3 railway gun of 1918.
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.
Thank you,Guy. The Australians, the date and the camouflage fooled me ! :oops: :oops: :oops:

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Post by rpk4 » 19 Sep 2016, 17:21

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The first two pictures are the same gun, but I figure everyone already knew that. I have another photo of the same gun but in my disorganization, not sure where it is.

Wijnstok's details of K5 camo: "The first four guns were overall dark gray when they left the factory in 1937. They probably received camouflage when they were tested.The two-tone scheme was in use from 1935 to 1939 and consisted 2/3 dark gray and 1/3 brown. On K5, it was applied in broad undulating vertical bands:
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By the time K5's were delivered to the troops, the color scheme had changed to overall dark gray. They were sent to France and Russia in this livery. During the Russian winter. K5's may have been whitewashed to camouflage them. The Afrikakorps used a dark desert yellow from 1942 onwards. Since ‘Leopold’ was destined for North Africa it may have had this color. In early 1943, a three-tone camouflage scheme was adopted, using a base of Dunkelgelb (dark yellow), Dark brown and green could be added according to season and terrain. K5 guns seem to be found only in overall dark yellow. although the painting could be very motley. Lettering and badges were often leh in patches of the original dark gray. as is the case on ‘Leopold'."

Lastly, is this an actual photograph or just a painting?
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Re: K5 Railway Artillery Gun

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Postby searay » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:35 pm

The black and white illustration with the tunnels behind is water-color artwork by Steve Noon from the Osprey Campaign book "Metz 1944" and shows the Ebersviller rail tunnels on the Metz-Bouzonville rail line where the guns were active in early October 1944.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&start=75

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Post by jopaerya » 19 Sep 2016, 17:49

Here a close-up of Leopold in America from Ebay , Regards Jos
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Post by Manuferey » 20 Sep 2016, 00:42

rpk4 wrote:K5-camo.jpg
The first two pictures are the same gun, but I figure everyone already knew that.
JB
Indeed. I should have been clearer in my text. :wink:
rpk4 wrote: Wijnstok's details of K5 camo: "The first four guns were overall dark gray when they left the factory in 1937. They probably received camouflage when they were tested.The two-tone scheme was in use from 1935 to 1939 and consisted 2/3 dark gray and 1/3 brown. On K5, it was applied in broad undulating vertical bands:
032.jpg
JB
As you know, picture 032.jpg shows No. 919217. Thanks to its camouflage pattern, we can recognize it on pictures where the number is not visible. 8-) Here is another propaganda picture of this gun:
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Another picture of the same gun on a Voegele platform:
(Source A Chazette)
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rpk4 wrote: Wijnstok's details of K5 camo:[...]
JB
The two-tone camouflage of the gun on my first post above does not seem to be described by Wijnstock. But it is very close to the camouflage of Leopold today. I wonder where the US Army obtained an idea of this camouflage. It is not visible at the time of its capture at Civitavecchia and does not appear in the following German propaganda footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtCOFo7VR2w
(see at 1:04, the name "Leopold" is clearly visible on the side).

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Post by Manuferey » 20 Sep 2016, 02:59

Robert’s camouflage was also unique and it was still visible at Civitavecchia.
RobertCivitavecchia.jpg
Source (both pictures): forum.valka.cz


Below: Robert near a tunnel on the Rome-Frascati railroad. Note that the "R" is visible on the side of the top picture.
See the tunnel today here:
http://digilander.libero.it/historiamilitaria/aa.htm
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Below: same general area as above?
Note that the "R" is visible on the side.

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Post by rpk4 » 22 Sep 2016, 16:22

Manuferey wrote:
Below: same general area as above?
Note that the "R" is visible on the side.

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Is there more info about this photo? Or one that shows a definitive "R"? I've seen this captioned as Robert Abandoned which is not the location that Robert was found.

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 22 Sep 2016, 21:12

jopaerya wrote:According to the old Ebay caption this should be Berken , please note the cammo on the barrel looks the same as the first photo.

Regards Jos
Hmm Berken?
Here is photo with original caption:
Eisenbahngeschütz im Kampf gegen die Sowjetunion, Ladogasees
so it might be Ladoga lake
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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 22 Sep 2016, 21:17

Other photos of 2-tonne camo:
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Post by Manuferey » 23 Sep 2016, 00:08

Great pictures Andrzej ! The top one seems to be the one from which the first picture of this this thread was extracted. Your second picture shows the same gun. Do you know where this second picture was taken?

And the camouflage on the two top pictures seems to have a lighter color than on the third picture or is due to the light? :?

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 24 Sep 2016, 13:54

Latest photo seems to be made on the same location (graveyard or similar) like frist one in the thread.
It comes from Panzerarchiv forum with caption: K5 der Btr. 712 (E) vor Leningrad.
Camoulfage looks like 1-tonne (railway gray?) but again this is poor quality photo.
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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 24 Sep 2016, 13:59

Few other examles with 2 & 3-tonne camo:
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