Utekerke Adcock peiler

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Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby jopaerya » 17 Mar 2017 16:52

Hello All

I can find Uitkerke but not Utekerke , who can help me ?? Also any information on the Ultrakurzwellenpeiler is very welcome .

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby myt1prod » 17 Mar 2017 18:44

there is no such thing as Utekerke in Belgium...
Utekerke is just the early-dutch pronounciation for Uitkerke (probably Utekerke was still in use in the local west-flemish dialect and could very well even be still in use today)
http://gtb.inl.nl/iWDB/search?actie=article_content&wdb=VMNW&id=ID78792

for Belgium the original/official townnames were not always used by the Germans, in many cases they used the French names for Flemish villages like De Panne (La Panne), Koksijde (Coxyde), Knokke (Cnocke), Oostende (Ostende), ... in this case they must have used the dialect name for the village

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby jopaerya » 17 Mar 2017 21:01

Thanks Jean

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby ChrisMAg2 » 18 Mar 2017 03:25

jopaerya wrote:...Also any information on the Ultrakurzwellenpeiler is very welcome .
...


You are already explaining it in the title. UKW-Peiler, like Adcock Peilanlage, is a generic term for something that could be for the Luftwaffe either FuSAn 733 A 80, FuPeil A 40, FuPeil A 50, FuPeil A 60 or FuPeil A 70, or for the KM something like NVK-KWU / 37 mit E 390 Gr. The english translation would be something like FM navigational beam.
Look here: http://www.atlantikwall.info/radar/technik/peiler.htm
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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby nordfriese » 18 Mar 2017 09:21

Hi!

The A-40 to A-70-series of the Luftwaffe were Adcock-direction-finder-antenna-systems (four to
eight fixed masts in a square/circle) for longwave- or shortwave-frequencies.
The NVK-KWU/37 was also a DF for shortwave-frequencies. (NVK = Nachrichtenversuchskommando,
KW = Kurzwelle (engl.: shortwave), U = adcock-antenna-style, 37 = used since (invented?) 1937)

Shortwave-band is up to 30 MHz. 30 MHz and higher is the UKW-band (engl.: VHF).

At the UKW-band turnable DF-antennas were mostly used, so not in "Adcock-style". The A-80-
series, which Chris mentioned, is a good example.

The proper translation is VHF-DF (VeryHighFrequency-Direction-Finder)

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby jopaerya » 18 Mar 2017 09:25

Thank you all , any idea were UKW peiler was located ?? W.n. 66 b ??

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby nordfriese » 18 Mar 2017 12:31

Hi Jos!

Your list is for "Sondergeräte Marine und Luftwaffe".
Do you have a date?

In a list of "VHF-DF of the Luftwaffe before D-Day",
there is no Luftwaffe-VHF-DF at the belgian coast.
So it could have been a VHF-DF of the Kriegsmarine.

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby jopaerya » 18 Mar 2017 13:55

The date is 12-11-1942 , Rolf

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby pierrot » 18 Mar 2017 15:58

Hello Jos,

I don't think it was inside the WN Tross-Trompet (66b)
The WN Truhe, WN Tross-Trompet and WN Weststadt were small infantry strongpoints to defend the South part of Blankenberge town.

But according the list of Stp and WN from July 1944, there was a WN Uitkerke. Maybe this is the position of this UKW anlage. However I have no clue at the moment about the exact location of this WN

See also this topic about the other UKW anlage in Oostduinkerke

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=216026&p=1949418&hilit=ukw#p1949125

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby jopaerya » 18 Mar 2017 19:56

Oke Pierre

I will try to find the Wn.

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby nordfriese » 18 Mar 2017 22:29

Hi!

Sorry, but I have to corrct myself.
nordfriese wrote:At the UKW-band turnable DF-antennas were mostly used, so not in "Adcock-style".

At the UKW-band turnable DF-antennas were used, not "fixed Adcock-style".

An example for turnable VHF-DFs were the A-80-Adcock-series.

Source:
http://www.cdvandt.org/L-Dv-702-1-Heft-168.pdf
Drawing at page 32; explanation at page 39, part "E".
Sorry, but it's in German.

@Jos
Thanks for the date.

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby myt1prod » 19 Mar 2017 11:18

On a handdrawn resistance map for the Stp. Von Rundstedt at De Panne I have a 'radarmast' (according to the map) which is isn't mentioned elsewhere to my knowledge. The layout of this 'radarmast' resembles very much how one would draw a 4 mast Adcock Peiler from birdeye's perspective. I always thought the four squares around the central bunker (marked in red) depicted anchoring blocks for a single mast standing in the middle (on top of the bunker/building in the middle). Which I thought might indicate the location of the Wassermann, but as the location of the wasserman has been found to be at Stp Schlieffen, this 'radarmast' drawn by the resistance is still unaccounted for. but when looking at the Adcock Peiler layout it makes me wonder again about this unknown 'radarmast'.

below a cutout of this resistancemap, next to a cutout of the most recent published study by Pierrot on this stronghold. Apart from this resistancemap I know of no other documents which place a 'radarmast' on this location.

What do you think... could it be an Adcock Peiler and would it be logic to have one here on this location along the Belgian coast? (perhaps it would fit an interval between other known Adcock Peiler stations?)

unknown radar von rundstedt.jpg
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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby pierrot » 19 Mar 2017 14:17

Hello Jean,

Yes indeed there were some high antennas around the wasserbunker type 195. On the air picture of 1944, I count only 3 of them.

March1944.jpg


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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby myt1prod » 21 Mar 2017 20:36

Are there any other Radar- or communicationsystems known which would fit this 3 antenna lay-out as seen on the aerial above OR the 4 antenna lay-outas seen on the handdrawn resitance map?
Radar specialist??

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Re: Utekerke Adcock peiler

Postby nordfriese » 22 Mar 2017 05:14

Hi!

Many "normal" radio-posts were equipped with three or four antenna-masts.

BTW Each Funkmess-Stellung had a "Leichtes Funkfeuer" (light radio-beacon).
The three masts with a antenna could have been the radio-station of the Stellung,
which also was the beacon.

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Rolf


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