4 cm Flak (e)

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4 cm Flak (e)

Post by jopaerya » 08 Jun 2017 08:27

In the early stages of W.W. 2 the O.Q.F. 2 pr. Mark 8 was used in several naval gun batterie's as flak gun.
I could not find any other name for this gun as 4 cm Flak (e) so any help is welcome .

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Photo's = Anti-aircraft guns and Ebay
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by jopaerya » 12 Jun 2017 08:24

Does somebody knows how many of these gun were in France in 1940 ?? ( Photo's = Ebay )

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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by Manuferey » 13 Jun 2017 00:58

jopaerya wrote:Does somebody knows how many of these gun were in France in 1940 ?? ( Photo's = Ebay )

Regards Jos
I don't know how many 2 pdr pom-pom Vickers guns were left behind by the BEF in France but I wonder if the pictures you've shown could have been taken in the Channel Islands for the first one and in Norway for the second one (since Norway operated some of these guns mounted on trucks - see your post of 13 Feb 2010 in the "Unknown gun" thread: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=450

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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by Clive Mortimore » 13 Jun 2017 07:53

Hi All

Reading Hogg's British and American Artillery of World War 2 he states that the British Army only had the twin mount 2 pdr and that was used in fixed defenses. Only about 60 were used. I doubt very much that the BEF had them. The single mounts in the photos could well be taken from sunk and damaged Royal Navy ships not from the BEF.
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by jopaerya » 13 Jun 2017 08:11

Thank you both :thumbsup:

@ Emmanuel your right the last one has a other pattern on the barrel

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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by Manuferey » 15 Jun 2017 02:09

Clive Mortimore wrote:Hi All
The single mounts in the photos could well be taken from sunk and damaged Royal Navy ships not from the BEF.
Clive,

There are many German pictures of British abandoned 2 pdr single mount guns in the harbors of Dunkirk, Boulogne and Cherbourg for example. Would they have been removed from RN ships by the RN then and installed in these harbors for AA defense during the evacuations of British troops?

Here are a few of these German pictures (from ebay):
2pdrpompomFrance1940.jpg
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by Clive Mortimore » 15 Jun 2017 15:20

Hi Emmanuel,

I ain't got a clue. The main British Army low level AA gun was the Bofors. According to Hogg the Army only had twin 2pdrs for static defense. The ones in the photos could be guns "loaned" to the Army by the Navy or they might even be Navy guns manned by Royal Marines hence not coming under Army control. The Royal Marines were responsible for habour defense, the Royal artillery for the bits of coast and sky between the harbours.
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by Clive Mortimore » 15 Jun 2017 23:01

Hi All

In reading John Cambell's Naval Weapons of World War Two and the Navy weapons site http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_2pounder_m8.php they both mention the Army handing over 219 ex-land service guns both single and dual mounts.

Colin Davidson's book "AA Command" mentions the twin mounting and ex naval guns.

The mounting in the photos does not appear to match the photos or drawings in the Cambell book or Navy weapons site. did the British Army have a single mount for the Mk8 2pdr gun?
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by Clive Mortimore » 16 Jun 2017 09:45

The photos of the Germans with the 2pdr show a mounting with both layers to left side. The RN Mk VIII mount was different to that in the photos. Could the German photos show the land service guns, ex Royal Artillery? I have not yet found a photo of this type of mount with a British crew, Navy, Marine or Army.
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by jopaerya » 21 Jun 2017 12:41

Here the gun is named 4 cm Flak Vickers Armstrong , maybe this is the same type as the 4 cm Flak (e)
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by jopaerya » 23 Aug 2018 19:02

Looks to me the harbor of Cherbourg on this Ebay photo , Regards Jos
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by moonraker » 23 Aug 2018 19:50

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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by Manuferey » 24 Aug 2018 01:42

It is the same gun as the one on the picture marked Cherbourg in my post #6 above.

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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by jopaerya » 08 May 2019 11:33

Here a other one from Ebay , Regards Jos
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Re: 4 cm Flak (e)

Post by reedwh52 » 08 May 2019 22:35

The 2# AA was available in two versions, single and twin. The most common version was the single.

At least one Light AA Regiment (58th) was in France & equipped with the 2# AA.

Production Data from : http://www.wwiiequipment.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=58

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