5 cm KwK used in fortifications

[dirk Peeters]

Yes Jos 15 KVA G , 7 KVA H1 and H2 and the whole 7 KVA J

[jopaerya]

Hello Dirk

I think I found a explenation for the typical 5 cm KwK bettung in the sector K.V.A. G ( 15 Army ) .
After the Raid on St Nazaire 28-03-1942 it was not logical to have two Armies on either side of a
major river mouth . In 08-1942 O.B. West orded that the 15 Army was getting control of Walcheren
on the north side and in the south K.V.A. G ( Honfleur till Franceville ) , the former bounderies of
the 15 army was the river Schelde and Seine .

The KwK bettungen were from a "Neue Westwall ausbau" and started to build from 02-1942, so that
could be the reason for the "Normandie" model 5 cm Kwk bettungen in the sector K.V.A. G at that
time still 7 army . So this kind of 5 cm KwK were only build in the sector of the LXXXIV A.K.

Regards Jos

[dirk Peeters]

Very good study Jos
Thats something new that isn t found in France by the special forces there
hahahah Lol

[dirk Peeters]

a question for Eril
You have placed these 5 cm KWK Bettungen a Norvege

00 Erik.jpg

00 Erik 02.jpg

Do you have other photographs of these Bettungen in Norway ..... They seem the same as we found in France etc

the 4 niches version

7 KVA J 127 (1).jpg

Could it be .....
Thanks

[dirk Peeters]

15 KVA D StP Strand.jpg

your second photo looks this bett-ung
Can anyone confirm this

[stril]

Added a photo from HKB 63/977 Nordheim.
A position for 5 cm Kwk.
regards
stril

[Manuferey]

Hello Dirk
I think I found a explenation for the typical 5 cm KwK bettung in the sector K.V.A. G ( 15 Army ) .
After the Raid on St Nazaire 28-03-1942 it was not logical to have two Armies on either side of a
major river mouth . In 08-1942 O.B. West orded that the 15 Army was getting control of Walcheren
on the north side and in the south K.V.A. G ( Honfleur till Franceville ) , the former bounderies of
the 15 army was the river Schelde and Seine .
[...]
Regards Jos

Jos,

To complement your explanation, it is interesting to look at the document dated 5 April 1942 that you posted here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=189161
you can see that the Germans considered that the defenses of several harbors located on the mouths of rivers included the southern bank (“Südurfer”): Hoek van Holland, Vlissingen, Le Havre and St-Nazaire.

For Le Havre, the southern bank to protect the harbor starts at Honfleur indeed.

Emmanuel

[jopaerya]

Thanks Emmanuel

I recieved from Alain Chazette a document that the sector K.V.A. G was transferred to the 15. Army in 5-1942 .

While searching two other quistions came to my mind , was the bounderie during the Raid on St Nazaire the Loire
river and K.V.A. A is normal the first to start with ( see Holland and Walcheren ) but what about K.V.A. A ( Bretagne )
Maybe earlier the bounderie between the two Army 's was at this point ??

Regards Jos

[peeved]

5 cm KwK 39. Photo from exp. eBay.de auction http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 0947554132

Markus

[peeved]

5 cm KwK photo from exp. eBay.de auction http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 0949902292

Markus

[dirk Peeters]

thanks beautiful pictures

[jbb20p7]

5 cm KwK photo from exp. eBay.de auction http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 0949902292

Markus

Hello, this pics is taken on N13, at "Les Bertrands" on the Landfront Cherbourg, 2 x 5 cm KWK

Bye
Jb

[moonraker]

5 cm KwK 39. Photo from exp. eBay.de auction http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 0947554132

Markus

big possible the 600 or VF66 in gironde.

[AvB]

Luftwaffe personnel. That could be a clue?

[bunker14]

Hello All

This model for the 5 cm KwK was build only in Normandie , now I trying to find the bounderies
were this model was found . Who can help me to find out in witch area this bettung was build .

http://forum.axishistory.com/download/f ... &mode=view

Drawing = Bernard Paich / Alain Chazette

Regards Jos

hello

I never found this model in KVA-G