Old Masters
Old Masters
I am allways looking for new bunker types and sometimes they are right under your noise for a long time .
In a book Hitler's Atalantic Wall (1976) from one of the pioniers of Bunker Archeology Colin Partridge .
Drawings = Colin Partridge and Natter
Regards Jos
In a book Hitler's Atalantic Wall (1976) from one of the pioniers of Bunker Archeology Colin Partridge .
Drawings = Colin Partridge and Natter
Regards Jos
- M19 MADMAL
- Member
- Posts: 1445
- Joined: 08 Dec 2005, 17:42
- Location: M19 Mortar Bunker. STRONGPOINT CORBIERE. Jersey. Channel Islands
- Contact:
Re: Old Masters
Hi Jos,
This was spotted locally by Grappener as well when Natter originally posted the KI 514!
We don't know where Colin got the original info from though
Regards,
Malcolm
This was spotted locally by Grappener as well when Natter originally posted the KI 514!
We don't know where Colin got the original info from though
Regards,
Malcolm
"I had expected only ruins", "It's as if I had only left the bunker yesterday!"
Herr Engelbert Hoppe. M19 bunker Commander 1944/45 when he first returned in 2006.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/StrongpointCorbiereJersey/
Herr Engelbert Hoppe. M19 bunker Commander 1944/45 when he first returned in 2006.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/StrongpointCorbiereJersey/
Re: Old Masters
Oke thanks Malcolm
Re: Old Masters
It looks to me they took the Wa.Prüf.Fest nr. and made it the Kanalinseln number.
Jos posted something a bit back that three bunkers where renamed, it looks they correspond perfectly with the Kanalinseln numbers.
So the question is then, why did they have to rename? Because there was a new drawingnumber 514 maybe?
The only plothole here is that I don't know about which bunkers Jos was talking with this umzeichnung and it's a bit off wishfull thinking.
Jos posted something a bit back that three bunkers where renamed, it looks they correspond perfectly with the Kanalinseln numbers.
So the question is then, why did they have to rename? Because there was a new drawingnumber 514 maybe?
The only plothole here is that I don't know about which bunkers Jos was talking with this umzeichnung and it's a bit off wishfull thinking.
Last edited by Nectar on 01 Oct 2017, 08:38, edited 2 times in total.
Re: Old Masters
And that makes the Wa. Prüf. Nr's like this:
I Nr. 44 = Gruppenunterstand = I/b Nr. 514 = Kanalinseln 514
I Nr. 51 = Doppelgruppenunterstand = I/b Nr. 515 = Kanalinseln 515
I Nr. 64 = Batl. Abteilungs oder Regiment Gefechtstand = I/b Nr. 531 = Kanalinseln 531
I Nr. 44 = Gruppenunterstand = I/b Nr. 514 = Kanalinseln 514
I Nr. 51 = Doppelgruppenunterstand = I/b Nr. 515 = Kanalinseln 515
I Nr. 64 = Batl. Abteilungs oder Regiment Gefechtstand = I/b Nr. 531 = Kanalinseln 531
- M19 MADMAL
- Member
- Posts: 1445
- Joined: 08 Dec 2005, 17:42
- Location: M19 Mortar Bunker. STRONGPOINT CORBIERE. Jersey. Channel Islands
- Contact:
Re: Old Masters
The Kanalinsel 514 is the Unterstand/WaKoFest and the Kanalinsel 531 is the 609SK as designated by Rudi Rolf.
The Kanalinsel 515 is a bit of a mystery though as no twin group shelters were built except Type 622 but it may have been the example shown below?
Regards,
Malcolm
The Kanalinsel 515 is a bit of a mystery though as no twin group shelters were built except Type 622 but it may have been the example shown below?
Regards,
Malcolm
"I had expected only ruins", "It's as if I had only left the bunker yesterday!"
Herr Engelbert Hoppe. M19 bunker Commander 1944/45 when he first returned in 2006.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/StrongpointCorbiereJersey/
Herr Engelbert Hoppe. M19 bunker Commander 1944/45 when he first returned in 2006.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/StrongpointCorbiereJersey/
Re: Old Masters
I can't find my wakofest folder, but there are drawings of the Fest I nr's 44, 51 and 64 in there. If the Nr. 51 is the same as your Doppelgruppenunterstand then yes?
Re: Old Masters
The bunkers Wa Prüf Fest I B Nr 44 may look like the Wa. Prüf Fest Nr 514 may look the same but there are small
differences niche in the entrance part and a emercency exit . Just the same with the Wa.Prüf Fest Nr 51 and Nr 515.
Here a other very bad drawing of a I b number in the 500 from the Gruppenunterstand with antenna niches .
Regards Jos
P.S. Love to read the text but it very blurry .
differences niche in the entrance part and a emercency exit . Just the same with the Wa.Prüf Fest Nr 51 and Nr 515.
Here a other very bad drawing of a I b number in the 500 from the Gruppenunterstand with antenna niches .
Regards Jos
P.S. Love to read the text but it very blurry .