Are Jewisch people utilised by the construction of the atlantikwall ?

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Are Jewisch people utilised by the construction of the atlantikwall ?

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Post by dirk Peeters » 27 May 2018, 12:48

The last weeks we have some discussions about the use of jewisch labor slaves used by the atlantikwall
in Raversijde museum they speak of this and also in the Dossin Kaserne in Mechelen but what we would like to find it genuine proove , documents and so one
if anyone can help us with this for our museum in Antwerp we appreciate any help
We know of the slave labor camps on Alderney by the SS Baubattaillons
in police records in Antwerp (not verified) they speak of seven transport trains with jewish prisoners on direction for the Atlantikwall
On an IGN map of the french Dannes there is a road in the dunes called Chemin des Juifs for the jewish prisoners there
is this a verified item or ? and if this is so why use jewisch people in the Dannes region for the building of a few bunkers like 502 ?
why not in the big buiding sites as Lorient , Brest St nazaire where the construction of the U boat Bases took years ?
we know of the use of these people in the big V weapon sites as Eperlecqes , Wizernes , Mimoyecques but we can t consider these bunker as Atlantikwall
any help would be thankfully accepted
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Post by dirk Peeters » 27 May 2018, 12:56

in the PDF files where tis is written down (Microsoft Word - ExposeSaerens_15Augustus2012.doc)
there we found this
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in the autumn 1942 more than 1000 Atlantikwall jews are send to Auschwitz
Ill find this intriguing Autumn 1942 they send away there laborslaves from the atlantikwall , at this time the germans begin to talk iof the atlantikwall and not neue Westwall ??????


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Post by dirk Peeters » 27 May 2018, 13:41

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here the monumemt in dannes hardelot plage

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Post by Heim62 » 27 May 2018, 19:42

Hello Dirk,
in the past the historian Danielle Delmaire have made researches about the Jews Labors in north of France and Belgium. Unfortunatly her work is no more online, but I have a copy in my archives, i'll take a look to find it.
Here is an extract from the work of the historian Cyril Brossard, it's about the Jews' fate of Berck sur mer (2014):
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Post by dirk Peeters » 27 May 2018, 19:52

Thanks Herve
What do you think of the last sentence
Plutot des prisoniers allemande ?
Ist this verified history ?
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Post by jopaerya » 27 May 2018, 21:11

Hello Dirk

Found this, looks the first group of Jews arrived on 13-06-1942 arrived in Condette, maybe someone can translate
the document in French ( red elips ) , in the same document the whole forced labor group of Jews were send in
two convoys on 24-10-1942 and 31-10-1942 from Dossin barracks to Auschwitz.
http://www.gershon-lehrer.be/blog/2011/ ... %80%9D-ot/

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Post by dirk Peeters » 27 May 2018, 22:33

Thanks
We make progress
Why didn t the germans continue to use these people?

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Post by dirk Peeters » 27 May 2018, 22:48

A lot of interesting stuff jos
Thanks

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Post by TH » 28 May 2018, 01:36

dirk Peeters wrote:Why didn t the germans continue to use these people?
Killing workers may seem irrational, but keep in mind this happened within the context of the NS ideology.
Think of extermination through labour, treatment of PoWs and so on.

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Post by dirk Peeters » 28 May 2018, 08:19

Yep you are right
Thanks herve and jos and th
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Post by Heim62 » 28 May 2018, 09:21

dirk Peeters wrote:Thanks Herve
What do you think of the last sentence
Plutot des prisoniers allemande ?
Ist this verified history ?
Dirk
I suppose it's true. German people against the Nazis have been very rudely treated as well.

Killing workers may seem irrational, but keep in mind this happened within the context of the NS ideology.
Think of extermination through labour, treatment of PoWs and so on.


Yes, this is probably the reason. Weaken workforces to comfort the ideology... seems very crazy.
Only few leader people such Albert Speer could have had another lighter different point of view, but in such terrible conditions.

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Post by jopaerya » 28 May 2018, 09:59

But let get back to the prime question , who has any evidence of Jewisch people that were used as forced labour
in 1943 and 1944 in the Atlantikwall ? ( execpt for the I.SS-Baubrigade in Alderney ) http://media.offenes-archiv.de/ha6_4_thm_2014.pdf

I know the socalled "Rotspaniers" and Russian P.O.W. were treated very bad and lots were killed .

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Post by Heim62 » 28 May 2018, 10:18

The french text I put above talks about the seating of the Rommel defenses (poles, etc) on the beach by forced workers. This could have started only very early in 1944.
If you consider the birth of the "Atlantikwall" for the 23th March of 1942 (Directive n°40), Jews people from Dannes were involved in its building.
This is just a reflexion. No ? :|

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Post by jopaerya » 28 May 2018, 10:37

Hello Herve

According to Rudi Rolf on 13-08-1942 the order was given to build the Atlantikwall, the group Jews we were
talking about were send from Dossin barracks at Mechelen on 24-10-1942 and 31-10-1942 to Auschwitz. So this
group was only 4 month on the French coast at Pas de Calais and only two month under the name Atlantikwall.

I love to see documents to prove that there was forced labour in 1943 and 1944 under the Jewisch people in the A.W.

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Post by CNOCK » 28 May 2018, 16:49

Hi,

after what I red, the Jewish people were given the most dangerous work, for example digging tunnels, when one collapsed the Germans did not bother to look for the corpses of the workers. Or the Jewish people died during their forced labour, or they were to weak to work and were sent to the extermination camps. Jews fom Antwerp were sent to the French coast, but it is not clear if they went straight from Antwerp or passed first through the Dossin kazerne at Mechelen. This is an interesting topic about a nearly forgotten story.

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