Are Jewisch people utilised by the construction of the atlantikwall ?

[dirk Peeters]

Any news from alderney there?

[M19 MADMAL]

Maybe our members of the C.I. can help us but I only could find "political inmates" in Alderney ( I SS Bau Brigade ) ??

ALDERNEY "Sylt Camp" reported in February, 1944 to
(Channel Islands) have 900 "political inmates".
OT document Addressed to Bauleitung "Adolf"
(code name for ALDERNEY) refers to "KZ"
Haftlinge in Feb 1944.

Hi Jos and Dirk,

What is it you are looking for specifically?


As a side note. My late grandfather was taken to Alderney between June 1942 & June 1943 as a punishment and made shuttering for bunkers (mostly at Batterie Annes). Although he lived in a property called Jubilee house, he recalled that Alderney was boring and the highlight of the week was going to Lager Sylt to use the SS showers! He never went into the prisoners part of the camp though, only the SS compound but remembered seeing the prisoners in their blue and white 'uniforms'.
Regards,
Malcolm

[taxfree]

I have never seen a document stating that Jewish people did do forced labour on the Atlantikwall in the Netherlands. The Atlantikwall was mainly build by private contractors. Besides that it was partly build by the German army itself and in some cases by prisoners of war. Is there any reason to believe that the number of Jewish people doing forced labour on the Atlantikwall was significant, compared to the others involved?
We all know that Jewish people were used in the war industry. This happened in about every country occupied, as well as in Germany itself.
I think it is very likely they also worked in factories producing construction materials, that would later be used in the Atlantikwall or other fortifications. Equipment placed in fortifications could also be made in factories were Jews were forced to work.

Keeping people from running away might be more difficult at construction sites, than at factories or production facilities.

Taxfree

[jopaerya]

Thanks Malcolm and Taxfree

For the striped suits they were worn by all prisoners of the concentration camps but
the markings were different https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_da.p ... diaId=5037

I have seen in the book Alderney fortress island from Pantcheff that there were in may 1943 around 300 French
Jews in camp Helgoland ??

Regards Jos

[dirk Peeters]

Thanks you all
For me as living on antwerp with many jews living there .
We found documents there where a few trains with workers (jewish) were sent to northern france summer 1942
Within a few months they were returned to belgium and sent to auschwitz. After that no antwerp or belgium jews are sent to the atlantikwall. Try to figure out why. Mostly they where building concrete roads in these months it looks.
I ll hope to come with more info next week
Dirk

[jopaerya]

Top Dirk

That explains the Belgian Jews in Pas de Calais in 1942, hope to find more information about 1943 and 1944 .

Regards Jos

[M19 MADMAL]

Hi,

The following is extracted from "Alderney, Fortress Island" By T.X.H. Pantcheff

Major Pantcheff himself was the official Military Intelligence Interrogator who questioned the whole German garrison and many of their prisoners and civilian labourers in 1945 in Alderney.

On Lager Sylt there is no mention of any Jewish prisoners: "There were about 1,000 inmates and about 500 were Russian prisoners of war; 200 Germans classed as work-shy (Arbeitsscheu) including conscientious objectors, habitual criminals or political prisoners, a number of whom were former members of the International Brigade in Spain; and the balance a mixed bag of political prisoners from Czechoslovakia, France, Holland and Poland."

A breakdown of OT workers for Alderney in September 1943 (Approximate figures) is as follows;

700 Russians in Lager Helgoland.
400 volunteer workers of various European nationalities.
100 women, mostly French.
300 French Jews in Lager Norderney .
700 German OT workers located as follows: 400 in Lager Borkum, 150 in Lager Helgoland, 150 in Lager Norderney.

Micheal Ginns book "The Organisation Todt and the Fortress Engineers in the Channel Islands" note that regarding Lager Helegoland "Two Guernsey men who escaped from Alderney in April 1944, six months after the rundown of the OT, described Helgoland as being "a camp for Jews" at the time (Public Records Office Document WO 199/209A 55851)"

Regards,
Malcolm

[dirk Peeters]

thank you very much
so 300 french jews
thanks a lot malcolm

[M19 MADMAL]

thank you very much
so 300 french jews
thanks a lot malcolm

Hi Dirk,

You are welcome. Sorry I can't provide any more info.

Regards,
Malcolm

[dirk Peeters]

this is a lot that you have given
wonder what these 300 people have done there
it looks that the germans didn t want that jewish workers must work separately
a law from spring 1942
at home i have the exact date
Dirk

[jopaerya]

Found a complete NARA file about documentation on French labor forces around 1943 and 1944,
could not find anything on French Jews working at the A.W. . Hope somebody find some more information.

Regards Jos

[dirk Peeters]

Intresting. Thank you jos
We are in france for the moment
I m gonna read it thoroughly tomorrow
Dirk

[dirk Peeters]

Here a list of the firms and contractors who used these belgian jews in 1942
Julius Berger
Ph Holzmann
H Micha
Joh Schneider
A Jung
Vaisset Scholzen
Vaisset
Scholzen
Friedrich Wolf
Livernet-Hachez &Isselstein
Herman Dormann
anyone has info of these contractors ?
Dirk

[jopaerya]

Found this on internet, the same as we have seen before about the Belgian Jews in 1942

On the other hand in documentation from Yad Vachem and Holocaust Memorial Museum
I could not find anything on French Jews working in 1943 and 1944 in the A.W. , looks that
after the Wannsee conference ( 1942 ) the socalled final solution was started under the command
of the SS and that led to the death of up to 6 million Jews.

http://docplayer.net/28289089-Nord-pas- ... -2014.html

https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20060315-f ... posium.pdf
http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Micro ... 205857.pdf
http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Micro ... 205703.pdf

[dirk Peeters]

i think you are right Jos
nothing found later as 1942
but i ll go to another archive in the near future
maybe there we can find more answers