S473 / S483 combined for 2 x 20,3cm naval gun turret, Batt. Karola (Ars)

[TH]

Amazing dedication!

[patrick fleuridas]

Hi,

What a fantastic job, congratulations Jürgen and thanks for sharing.

Patrick

[juestr]

Well done.
Great 3D model.

Are the video's also available for us to enjoy?

For round corners in SU consider the add on Round corner from fredo

Hello,
I had a look to the 25 videos inside (17,9 GB). They are all "working clips", regardless of quality (light), for example following 5-10 min a cable circuit or the pipes for cooling. The latest one from october follows all steel beams of the ceilings to enable the width and number corrections of the work done before.

So, really nothing to enjoy.

As for "round corner", even myself I am using these add ons. But very often they do not work in all directions simultanesly or only partionally (SU 2016/2017). And in either case not between different groups and different radias at the same time.
Another point you know better than me: each steel beam should be rounded, the radias are even known, but it is so memory consuming that with my actual hardware I am no more capable to open the whole project.

[wimve]

Another point you know better than me: each steel beam should be rounded, the radias are even known, but it is so memory consuming that with my actual hardware I am no more capable to open the whole project.

Oh yeah been there seen it.
I once drew a ceiling with all the beams and plates between them. Computer didn't like it at all. However making components and copy them, seems to reduces the memory usage.
It is always a choice between details and visual effects.

[AvB]

Fantastic research, well done!

[CSEverett]

Ummmm.... Does anybody have a copy of the files, or good plans of the bunker? I' kind of could really use a 3d model of it, although for the interior I only really need the train area and close combat MG rooms, but with what's presently out there I don't really have enough information to make my own.

Thanks.

[TUS]

Very nice and hard work you have put into the generation of the 3D models.

Thumbs up

Brgds Tønnes

[CSEverett]

Putting out another appeal for anybody who might have a copy of Juestr's files. (I actually heavily suspect that Juestr died two years ago, so I can't really ask him, and you might as well share them at this point.)

[CSEverett]

And it turns out that Juestr is still alive, and he went and took everybody's contributions and wrote a book:
https://www.histoire-fortifications.com ... 70_-b.html
I tired buying a copy, but they don't ship to the US. Since he crossed so many red lines in writing it and charging money for it, does anybody have a copy and could send to scans my way of any S473/S483 drawings, or 3d model views that are top-down,side-on, or show the train area? Considering he didn't get the permission needed in order to make money off of those who contributed in the first place, I see considerably less of a problem with that then it would be otherwise.
Thanks.

[AvB]

What do you mean with red lines??

[CSEverett]

What do you mean with red lines??

By that I mean he used contributions, mostly information, by many people who weren't told in advance he would be making money using their contributions, and then proceeded to write a book and make money off of it without obtaining their permission first as he should have done. That seems to have poisoned the French area of the forum (or it might be a different one). Also, wimve shared an initial 3d model and information with the agreement both would be shared, but then he went and never shared anything back. And he never got wimve's permission either to monetize it. I'm a content creator myself in different communities and topics, and I know full well that once you start making money off of something everything changes.

[AvB]

Selling these kind of books doesn't make you rich. In that aspect he isn't monetizing anything. And there's hardly any book that doesn't use open source information which this forum is. Also Jürgen visited this place since the 1970s/1980s dozens of times. With all respect but he doesn't need wimve's plans to make his own.

[wimve]

Since I am called out, let me say this about the subject in general:
it is not the person who visits a site the most or who does the measurements or who makes a model. It is about keeping your word and respecting someone's work. This includes pictures, dimensions and/or a 3D model or components in this model.

Personally I don't see information like here in this forum being "free and open source" often people have put in (lot off) effort, money and time to get it. I respect this and will not use this information other then to make a better 3D model.
If someone would ask me to make a model for pictures in a book I have to work completely different.

If I ask you @AvB pictures about a site and place them in a book (which doesn't make me rich, like you say) WITHOUT telling that these are your pictures, you would not be happy either I guess.

For me personally it is about respect towards each other sharing the same hobby.
People who have never made a realistic 3D model (even without a render) have no idea how much time is involved. Some models take years to get more or less perfect.
This is all I have to say about this issue.

[AvB]

The point is he published his own model, not yours. That’s totally different than using my pictures without crediting. But I don’t know enough about what happened so let’sget back to any future discussion about the Ile de Ré gun bunkers.

[CSEverett]

I still need accurate plans of the upper level to the "right" of the turret (since I'm putting it into Trainz to make a strongpoint, and the train will actually be driveable, so the track needs to be laid out very correctly), and it seems that Juestr has them in his book, but didn't put them anywhere else. And I'm in the US, and can't find a way to obtain his book on my side of the Atlantic. Does anybody know of a way to acquire the book he wrote in the US? (Book: https://www.histoire-fortifications.com ... 70_-b.html )
Alternately, if somebody already has the book, could they sends scan of drawings or directly top-down views of the upper level in the areas the train goes through my way? I don't really need great data on the lower level, or the turret, but the area of the upper level to the "right" of the turret I really do need accurate plans of. (Doesn't have to have dimensions called out everywhere, either, I can work with it if it doesn't.) (I would just buy the book, but I can't figure out a way to do so.)

Thanks.