Soviet AT weapons

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Post by David Lehmann » 17 Jun 2003 20:12

For UK I know only about the N°73 anti-tank hand grenade (thermos bomb), the N°74 (ST) anti-tank hand grenade (sticky bomb), the N°75 anti-tank hand grenade (Hawkins grenade) and the N°82 grenade (Gammon bomb) that explodes on contact. For the US I have no info about such AT hand grenades. Some satchel charges have been used too but in fact there is no reason for the US or UK not having magnetic mines too ... Were perhaps less aware of that because the german had more need and use of such AT weapons ? The US also had the M9A1 AT rifle grenade.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 17 Jun 2003 20:23

Panzermeyer wrote:the N°74 (ST) anti-tank hand grenade (sticky bomb)


The one wich was used by American in Saving private Ryan?

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Post by David Lehmann » 17 Jun 2003 20:26

No I think the US in this Hollywood movie used wonder sockets :)

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 17 Jun 2003 21:01

None of you "war freaks" have ever heard of the Mk1 Sock Bomb.
Suggest you watch mor Tv maybe you will learn something.

All my books must be wrong , I got 500 and none of them got the sock bomb either.

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Post by David Lehmann » 17 Jun 2003 23:05

I. AT hand grenades, AT mines and AT charges

1) UK

- N°73 anti-tank hand grenade (thermos bomb)
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- N°74 (ST) anti-tank hand grenade (sticky bomb)
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- N°75 anti-tank hand grenade (Hawkins grenade)
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- N°82 grenade (Gammon bomb)
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- satchel charges

2) US

- I definitively found no US AT hand grenade

- satchel charges

3) Russia

- RPG-43
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- molotov cocktails

- satchel charges

4) Germany

- Geballte Ladung
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- Hafthohlladung 3
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- Rollbomben (1, 3 or 30 kg)
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- Sprengladung

- Panzerwurfmine (L)
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II. AT rifle grenades

1) US

- M9 and M9A1
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2) Germany

- Gewehrpanzergranate 30
- grosse Gewehrpanzergranate
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- Gewehrpanzergranate 46
- Gewehrpanzergranate 61
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- Gewehrgranate zur Panzerbekämpfung P40
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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 17 Jun 2003 23:24

Nice Pictures. I suppose that Hafthohlladung 3 is the German Magnetic
AT mine, the Soviet version looks pretty much the same. Basically a land limpet mine.


Perhaps that Saving Private Ryan bull was a "hollywood" way of making a home-made Gammon bomb, the Gammon bomb if I remember right was "sticky " where the rag end was , I think they used "tar" or something like it.

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Post by David Lehmann » 17 Jun 2003 23:31

Yes, the HHL-3 is the magnetic AT mine.

The RPG-43 was Russia's first shaped charge grenade for anti-tank purposes. It replaced the RPG-40 which was an ordinary stick grenade with an oversized high explosive head.

The Gammon bomb in fact is given as exploding at the contact when thrown at the target whereas the N°74 is sticky but looking at its shape I don't know how it was sticky exactly.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 18 Jun 2003 07:04

When I saw a photo of No.74 (ST), I remembered that I have a small description in one of the books.

The bomb has a special shield (on your picture the part with red line around-it), which you have to remove it before the throw. Bomb it-self was covered with a "Super-glue". Bomb exploded in 5 seconds.

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Post by Fjy » 18 Jun 2003 10:46

Panzermeyer wrote:The RPG-43 was Russia's first shaped charge grenade for anti-tank purposes. It replaced the RPG-40 which was an ordinary stick grenade with an oversized high explosive head.

David


Do You mean RPG-33? I think -41 was first shaped charge grenade for anti-tank purposes.

Germans (also Finnish)did also use hollow charges with glue (model 41 something)

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Post by David Lehmann » 18 Jun 2003 11:57

You are probably talking about the soviet's RGD33 and RGD41 anti-tank grenades but I think the charge is only HE and not HEAT.
To complicate things there is also a RGD33 Fragmentation Stick Grenade.

http://netti.nic.fi/~junkyard/grenades.html


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Post by K.Kocjancic » 18 Jun 2003 12:05

Was Zimmerit just for tanks or was it also for Sd.Kfz.'s (like Sd.Kfz. 250/X)?

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 18 Jun 2003 12:28

Kocjo wrote:Was Zimmerit just for tanks or was it also for Sd.Kfz.'s (like Sd.Kfz. 250/X)?


It was primarily applied to vehicles with heavy armour, whch saw front service. Armoured cars and halftracks only very rarely had Zimmerit - so far, I can only remember seing one photograph of a Sd.Kfz. 251 with Zimmerit...

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 18 Jun 2003 13:00

So, tanks and StuG's had it, if I'm correct?

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 18 Jun 2003 14:00

Kocjo wrote:So, tanks and StuG's had it, if I'm correct?


Yes.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 20 Jun 2003 11:38

Could someone post a photo of Soviet soldier with Panzerfaust?

Thanks in advance,
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