8,5/8,8 cm Flak (r) bastard?

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8,5/8,8 cm Flak (r) bastard?

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Post by Jens Andersen » 22 Sep 2020, 09:26

Hi,
Last week I visited Nordberg Fort on Lista/Norway.
In one of the emplacement for a 15 cm naval gun I found a gun that I am not quite sure what to think about.
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The text beside it claims that is a Russian 8,5 cm anti-aircraft gun. I clearly recognise the barrel as a Russian AA gun, but the carriage doesn't fit with that use, as it is clearly for a field gun.
Is it a German conversion of the gun, or has the "Festung Lista" museum simply "married" two imcompatible parts and made a fake piece?

Jens
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Post by jopaerya » 22 Sep 2020, 09:52

The wheels looks to be French from the 15.5 cm gun ( Ebay )
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Post by peeved » 22 Sep 2020, 10:00

Partly Canon de 105 L mle 1936 Schneider?
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Re: 8,5/8,8 cm Flak (r) bastard?

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Post by Grzesio » 22 Sep 2020, 10:20

It obviously is a 'fake' gun - there are two cradles, one mounted of top of the other and the whole combination is way to fragile to be able to fire (notice, the forward part of the Flak cradle is supported with a tiny stud only, which seems to be just a sheet metal stripe).

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Post by Jens Andersen » 22 Sep 2020, 14:55

Hi,

Thank you for your answers.
I think you are right about the Canon de 105 L mle 1936 Schneider delivering the carriage.
Some empty carriages may have been avaiable nearby as four guns of the type were emplaced in pedestal mounts in HKB Varnes in 1944.
I suppose the combination was made by the "museum", although I can't see the point in putting the two parts together.

Jens

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Re: 8,5/8,8 cm Flak (r) bastard?

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 22 Sep 2020, 15:18

Jens Andersen wrote:
22 Sep 2020, 14:55
Hi,

Thank you for your answers.
I think you are right about the Canon de 105 L mle 1936 Schneider delivering the carriage.
Some empty carriages may have been avaiable nearby as four guns of the type were emplaced in pedestal mounts in HKB Varnes in 1944.
I suppose the combination was made by the "museum", although I can't see the point in putting the two parts together.

Jens
Hi Jens

It looks good, but I fully agree I cannot see the point either.
Clive

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