Krupp guns for Brazil

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Please googled

o Rearmamento do Exército Brasileiro no final da década deá 1930

www.ebrevistas.eb.mil.br › download

This article describes the various purchases of artillery material that Brazil made to Germany in the second half of the 1930s as well as the vicissitudes in the delivery of said material due to the outbreak of war.

In summary, Brazil bought:
in 1937
100 Krupp 7.5cm C/26 guns

in 1938
324 Krupp 7.5cm C/34 guns
192 Krupp 7.5cm C/22 mountain guns
192 Krupp 10.5cm C/28 howitzers
108 Krupp 10.5cm C/45 guns
108 Krupp 15cm C/23 howitzers
24 Krupp 15cm C/55 guns
60 Krupp 8.8cm C/56 AA guns
72 Krupp ?? 7.5cm C/55 AA guns

There are some photos illustrating some of these guns and howitzers

It is said that both the guns such as the 10.5cm and 15cm caliber howitzers as well as the 8.8cm caliber AA guns were identical to those of the German Army but I think this does not seem to be the case if we look at the description of the pieces as well as the scarce article images

I have several questions

1 About the 7.5cm mountain gun, does anyone have any information?
Was it an export model? Was it designed specifically for Brazil? Did any other country buy this material?

2 About the 10.5cm howitzer, a barrel length of L28 is indicated. There is no photo in the article but it seems to match the 10.5cm leFH18 standard howitzer of the German army

3 About the 10.5cm gun, a barrel length of L45 is indicated, which does not coincide with the German K18 gun barrel, which had a length of L52, so I suppose it would be a different model designed specifically for Brazil. No image appears. Any information?

4 About the 15cm howitzer a barrel length of L23 is indicated, which does not coincide with the German standard 15cm howitzer sFH18, which had an L29.5 caliber, so I suppose it would be a different model designed specifically for Brazil. An image appears in which you can actually see a barrel shorter than that of the German model. Some information?

5 Lastly, in relation to the 15cm gun, the description and the image that appears in the article seems to match that of the German 15cm K39 gun. Until now I thought that the only buyer of this model had been Turkey

Any comment and or aditional image will be welcome

Sturm78

[tristan-gereon]

Hi,
the Link doesnt work? I cant find the article about the guns?
Regards
Oliver

[karlik]

Hi!
http://ebrevistas.eb.mil.br/index.php/A ... /5775/5003

[nuyt]

Great find Sturm!

[Sid Guttridge]

Hi Guys,

Before WWI Germany was the main supplier of Artillery to Latin America. Between the wars French artillery became their mainstsy. Nazi Germany wanted to recapture the market.

In the 1930s Germany paid for primary products from Latin America with "Aski marks". These could only be used to buy German manufactures but offered a discount on the goods bought. The Aski marks were held in accounts in Germany.

It was a way of Germany deferring cash payment for imports. When war broke out Germany had thus acquired a lot of Latin American primary products but had yet to send most of the manufactures in return. Thus Latin America effectively subsidised Germany's pre-war rearmament.

These Brazilian artillery pieces were ordered using Aski marks. However, Germany dragged its feet on delivery because it was itself rearming and war was imminent. Most never arrived because of the British blockade. Germany tried to send some via Portugal, but the UK intercepted them. This led to a diplomatic incident between Brazil and the UK in 1940/41. (The linked article contains some details on this).

Cheers,

Sid.

[schwarzermai]

Hello Sturm, i think c/xy isen't the same than L/xy - one is with the lenght of Verschlußblock - maybe someone knows the exact defination
Rohrlänge vs. Kaliberlänge (c/xy is a naval designation)

15cm K39

foreign orders:

1. Turkey
2. Brasil
3. Romania



Uwe

[Sturm78]

Hi Uwe,

I think that there is a correspondence between the Brazilian designation C/xx and the common way of indicating the length of the tube based on the caliber of the weapon L/xx.
If we take, for example, the 8.8cm Flak 18 gun as a reference, the length of the tube in caiber is L56 and the Brazilian designation is precisely C/56

Sturm78