Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

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Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by Jeannot du 85 » 26 Feb 2021 13:26

Hello everyone!

I'm a new member of the forum... I'm French too so sorry for my language...

I am researching the radar station "AMOBE" built by the Germans between 1943 and 1944 in Vendée (France).

It was two positions coded SA 21/38 and SA 21/36 on the communes of La Jonchère (at the place called "Moulin de la Garde") and Le Bernard (at the place called "Pey de Fontaine").

This station hosted a company of the 54 Luftnachrichten-regiment. The exact identity of the company varies according to the sources: 25 th companie?

I would like to know if someone on the forum could help me in my research:

I'm looking for photos and period documents of the different positions or the unit.

Thank you for your help... it's a bottle in the sea! :thumbsup:

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by jopaerya » 26 Feb 2021 19:11

:welcome: Jeannot du 85

I can't help you with photo's and other information on this radar site , this is all I could find .

The first document is from 1943 with the production numbers of the W = Würzburg Riese
and F = Freya, later in the war a other Freya A was added on this location. Also you can
see the 6 x 2 cm Flak for the protection of the radar post Amoebe .

On the second you see the number on 12-1943 maybe it was changed during the war ??

Regards Jos
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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by Jeannot du 85 » 26 Feb 2021 20:45

Good evening!

Thank you very much, these two maps are very interesting, I didn't know they exist.

What does the partially erased writing on the first map, below "La Jonchère", correspond to?
Do you have the left side on this first map?

For the anecdote, both positions were made under the direction of a French engineer.

The Flacks were installed on L409a . The engineer had deliberately reduced the positions for the flack by 20 cm.

The day the Flacks were delivered, none of them could be installed for lack of space!

The Flacks ended up under tarpaulins ... When an allied plane flew over the site, they were only replicating with their rifles.

The engineer escaped and nobody knows what became of him!

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by jopaerya » 27 Feb 2021 09:59

Hello Jeannot du 85

There is no left side of this map and the text under the radar signs are in green that is the color of Luftwaffe on maps
( blue for navy and black for heer ) that why it looks erased but green is lighter . For the text 3 Gechutze den 63/XII
numbers and 3 Geschutze den 64/XII ( 6 x 2 cm Luftwaffe Alarmflak )

I like does stories, from what i see the on pictures the L 409A were build as standard model and could fit the 2 cm Flak.

Regards Jos ( Photo is from R. Lemenicier)
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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by Jeannot du 85 » 27 Feb 2021 18:18

"I like does stories, from what i see the on pictures the L 409A were build as standard model and could fit the 2 cm Flak. "

Hi, thanks :milwink:

I got this story from the mayor's son at the time who was in charge of the security of the construction site at night. (the son knew the German occupation).

During the whole period of the building site, no German was present on the site. Everything was the responsibility of the French workers of the STO and some foreign workers.

Visibly there was the 158 pioneer regiment to the east. What I know is that the station was scuttled by pioneers in August 1944, perhaps it must have been soldiers of this regiment.

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by Eax-E » 27 Feb 2021 21:30

Hello Jeannot,

Sorry but oral sources must be taken with carfulness. The OT, the Festungs-pioniere and Festungs-Nachrichten-pionnere were part of the german army and manned by them. French workers of STO (or from other sourcing) were placed by the PT in the rbuilding companies, but in no cases such a site with St bunker could be built with no german on site.

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by Jeannot du 85 » 27 Feb 2021 22:57

Good evening.

This is curious because it was the mayor himself who was in charge of the site surveillance at night during the construction. He was so responsible for it, it was a way for the Germans to keep control over the local population. If there had been soldiers they would not have bothered with a civilian. His son, who is now 85 years old today, assured me that ...

But indeed, it's strange.

After the oral testimonies are often distorted...

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by moonraker » 28 Feb 2021 14:00

hello,
I have the same reaction as Eax-E,never "the baustelle" was without supervisors of Fest pi .Building St is very difficult if you don't have staff who has the training for this.It is therefore almost impossible that companies or worker and work alone without a German hierarchy.I know the site well, and the St is building whit the standart normal.

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by jopaerya » 24 Mar 2021 09:59

Hello All

According to the documentation all the St bunker in Amoebe had a annex for a water-tank is that correct ??
Also I am looking for the exact location of the two Freya in this radar post ?? Thanks in advance .

Regards Jos
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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by moonraker » 24 Mar 2021 18:20

hi,
yes jos each St 622,L409 at a IB wasser.

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by jopaerya » 24 Mar 2021 19:54

Thank you very much Etienne

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by jopaerya » 25 Mar 2021 08:51

A other question are all the Ib annex on one side of the bunkers ( left or right ) ??

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by moonraker » 25 Mar 2021 13:30

hello jos,
in my photograh I see right. 622 and L409A (site L485) and (site L479)

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by Jeannot du 85 » 11 Mar 2023 11:55

Hello
Here is the list of Annexes Ib/677 for Trinkwasser found on site:

Sa 21/36:
L485 L01+Ib/677
622 L02+Ib 677
L409A L04+Ib/67

Sa 21/38

L479 L01 a trinkwasser in the basement
622 L02+Ib/677
L409A L04+Ib/677
L409A L07+Ib/677
L409A L09+Ib/677

For the Freya, there was one on the west side of the national, in a round dry-stone site about 2 meters high. The second one, according to some testimonies, was at the crossroads in the hamlet of Moulin de la Garde.

I have lots of documents and plans but I don't know how to put pictures on this forum

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Re: Radar station Vendée (France)- Atlantikwall

Post by AvB » 11 Mar 2023 15:00

Jeannot du 85 wrote:
11 Mar 2023 11:55
I have lots of documents and plans but I don't know how to put pictures on this forum
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