The ultimate fortification thread!

Discussions on the fortifications & artillery used by the Axis forces.
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The ultimate fortification thread!

Postby Erik E » 22 Jul 2003 22:00

Hallo!

This is more like a challenge, rather than a question.

I`m now asking you to post every possible question you can ask about German ww2 fortifications. I know we have some members here which know a LOT more than most people know, so the questions is up to you guys!
If you wonder why concrete is gray, then ask!

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Postby Redbaron1908 » 22 Jul 2003 22:15

Now youre finally thinking like I am Erik :D for someone as curious as me this should be fun. Though at the moment I don't have any questions.

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Postby Erik E » 22 Jul 2003 22:37

Did you know that most large Regelbau`s had grenade traps in the smoke stack? Instead of rolling into the bunker, the grenades would simply go into a grenade trap on the outside!

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Postby Tom Houlihan » 22 Jul 2003 22:42

I have a question for model builders on the forum. One of these days, I'm going to be able to be active in that, again. Is it possible to obtain plan layouts of different types of bunkers? I know that modeling just the outside is relatively easy. I've had a couple of ideas about doing inside views, but I've not seen anything that would help much.
Is that ?? good enough?? 8O

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Postby Kaan Caglar » 22 Jul 2003 22:43

Cool 8)
and a clever design..
Keep them coming..
I'm thinking of questions,i will choose&ask the hardest :D
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Postby Christian Ankerstjerne » 22 Jul 2003 22:44

When was the first German WWII era bunker constructed, and where?

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Postby Juha Tompuri » 22 Jul 2003 23:08

:) Erik!

Off topic, but in Finland we also used a metal fence/net inside the smoke stack at the bunker roof level...a nasty surprise for anybody who dropped a grenede in to the stack and waited the results...

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Postby martyn powell » 22 Jul 2003 23:10

Tom wrote:I have a question for model builders on the forum. One of these days, I'm going to be able to be active in that, again. Is it possible to obtain plan layouts of different types of bunkers? I know that modeling just the outside is relatively easy. I've had a couple of ideas about doing inside views, but I've not seen anything that would help much.
Is that ?? good enough?? 8O


Hi Tom
Have at look at this from ww2modelmaker.com it might give you a idea

http://www.ww2modelmaker.com/modelpages/ESboxdio.htm

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Postby Billy Bishop » 22 Jul 2003 23:41

What was a bunkers greatest weakness?

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Postby Dan Mouritzsen » 23 Jul 2003 00:00

Hi

One of them was that it was in a fixed position if the tactical situation changed suddenly. Look at the way the Germans attacked the French bunkers in 1940.
If you get your infantry close enough to a bunker they are actually quite easy to destroy. The simplest way is to cover the bunker up with a bulldozer and just drive on, leaving the unhappy inhabitants to their own fate… :cry:

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Postby Billy Bishop » 23 Jul 2003 00:09

Dan Mouritzsen wrote:Hi


One of them was that it was in a fixed position if the tactical situation changed suddenly. Look at the way the Germans attacked the French bunkers in 1940.
If you get your infantry close enough to a bunker they are actually quite easy to destroy. The simplest way is to cover the bunker up with a bulldozer and just drive on, leaving the unhappy inhabitants to their own fate… :cry:

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Thanks for the answer.

Are there any examples of a force bulldozing an enemy bunker?

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Postby Dan Mouritzsen » 23 Jul 2003 01:07

Hi

It was done one several occasions in the Pacific, but here in Europe they were a bit more polite :|

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Postby Tom Houlihan » 23 Jul 2003 01:56

Martyn, that was great! Unfortunately, now I have to rethink what I wanted to do!

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weaknesses of bunkers

Postby herring » 23 Jul 2003 16:04

Hello all,

About bunker's weaknesses - I was wondering, if construction of large Panzerwerks in OWB and Westwall made any sense. A huge structure, with two or more floors, often connected with underground system. All this armed with 2 or 4 pieces of MG 34 ( max. 2 sechsschartenturms) , flamethrower, which apparently was NEVER used (I've heard, that crew was afraid of this weapon, because of some technical problems). Overall, everything was a good target for aircraft. I think that although armoured cuppola gave a good protection against artillery (some examples of it gave Erik E on this forum), I doubt if MG-s inside were still operational after heavy artillery attack. What do you think about it?

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Postby Redbaron1908 » 23 Jul 2003 16:57

I have a question does anyone know how the defensive lines were structured? For example the Maginot line what kind of bunker did the have at the front and which ones at the back.


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