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Post by darecki » 23 Aug 2007 20:32

few photos from Poland
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Post by Skygge » 04 Sep 2007 17:18

A bunker spotted in Øygarden near Bergen (Norway). Isolated, I guess he was here to defend the passage between Rongøy and Toftøy because Herdla airport is just 10km north. However it's a pussy bunker, i wonder how it was armed...
But i don't understand why this was the only one here (there is strangely no battery in øygarden even in the "Hjetleford" artillerie group.

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Post by Skygge » 08 Sep 2007 02:12

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Post by stril » 12 Sep 2007 20:25

Hello
However it's a pussy bunker, i wonder how it was armed...
But i don't understand why this was the only one here (there is strangely no battery in øygarden even in the "Hjetleford" artillerie group.
Its one of several similar bunkers at the inlets to the Hjeltefjord. They having either minefields or FPs ready with mines to close the inlets. They seems to be armed with a 2 cmm gun just in front of the bunkers.
No need to have any coastal batteries at that island. In 1940 - 1945 there was practically no roads there, no bridges. A enemy landing there could go nowhere anyway.
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Post by Skygge » 03 Oct 2007 00:21

Bike tour to Lyreneset and Kvarven batteries. Very good weather, heia Bergen !

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Post by MountainMan » 06 Oct 2007 20:23

First trivia question: Which set of defensive structures was never taken despite major efforts by the enemy.

Two references that I find handy are Fortress Europe and Architecture of War, both with photos, plan drawings, cut-away views, plan maps and technical specs. Fortress Europe covers a lot of the East Bloc and Soviet fortifications.

I also recommend Fortress for a good overall history of fortifications from the earliest to the present.

Here is a another question for everyone: why is it that despite overwhelming proof of the shortcomings of fixed fortifications and underground bunkers, nations keep building them, including America?

Next trivia question: what was the device developed to defeat underground fortifications in WWII, how successful was it and what happened to it?

note: Not the Karl mortar nor Dora Gerät.

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Post by JTG » 06 Oct 2007 22:55

"Here is a another question for everyone: why is it that despite overwhelming proof of the shortcomings of fixed fortifications and underground bunkers, nations keep building them, including America?"

To buy time and maintain C&C to the greatest extent until wiped out.


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Post by MountainMan » 09 Oct 2007 02:42

It would seem that one could "buy time" more successfully by moving around a lot.

All right, all you experts - what about those trivia questions? They really aren't that hard at all.

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Post by ducatim901 » 09 Oct 2007 06:58

Hé Mountainman, this isn't the quizzzzzztopic.........
Greetings Jack.

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Post by MountainMan » 09 Oct 2007 16:12

hmmm...translation - no one knows the answer.

Well, thanks for the advice. Since this apparently isn't the "proper place" for such questions, it wouldn't be proper for me to post the answers, either, right? 8-)

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Post by Barovic » 20 Oct 2007 12:13

Hello MountainMan,

I'll take a guess on your question about the device developed to defeat underground fortifications; could it be the Hohlladung? It was used more or less succesfully by German Fallschirmjäger in their attack against the fortress of Eben Emael, Belgium, Mai 10th 1940. The principle of the Hohlladung was later used in other weapons, like the Panzerfaust and the Bazooka.

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Post by Barovic » 20 Oct 2007 12:48

Hi SES and others,

small one-man-bunkers seem interesting to me, anyone has more info on them? Where there standards for building them?

Fact is that one can find them sometimes near railroads in France, they look a bit like the one on the picture Darecki posted, the one on the other side of the bridge.

However, on the Belgian coast another type can be found, I've attached a picture.

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Post by Barovic » 20 Oct 2007 13:29

Hmm,

seems like the same type of one-man-bunker was standing in front of the Pomme d'Or Hotel in St.Helier... see the picture in the post of Stp Corbiere, page 2 of the Destroyed Bunkers hread. Hotel was used as HQ for the Hafenkommandant Kanalinseln during WW2.

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Post by AvB » 22 Oct 2007 17:35

It's a standard shelter for a guard. You can find them everywhere along the coast and near HQs.. :)

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Around the perimeters of Bt Todt you can find more than 15 guard shelters like this.. :)

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Post by Barovic » 22 Oct 2007 18:54

Thanks for sorting that out AvB ! Picture of Stp Corbiere already gave me an indication that they were quite common... :)

Finnaly a bunker that would fit my room... hope they come with internet access. :lol:

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