60cm-Mörser Karl

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Post by Csaba Becze » 31 Dec 2003 11:42

Anybody have some exact details of Loki's fate in Hungary? I have never heard about it's loss and fate.

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Post by RB » 15 Jul 2004 09:28

Bjørn from Norway wrote:Hello!
Here is a little write up, neatly pidgin language between German & English.
Not all details might be 100% correct, but AFAIK they should be close to the truth:

KARL und BRUNO:

28 cm Kurze Bruno K (E) (Railwayartillery)

Designation: L/40, originally designed as Naval guns. Later version: S.K L/45. (”Lange Bruno”) and S.K L/42 (”Schwere Bruno”)

Units equipped with Bruno (1941):
Batterie 689, 690, 694, 695 and 696.
Each battery had two guns.



Heavy mortars ”Karl”

Designation:
54 cm mortar: ”Gerät 041” [54 cm = AP, HE, anti-concrete.]
60 cm mortar: ”Gerät 040” [60 cm = AP, HE.]

(The name ”Karl” originates from “General der Artillerie”, Karl Becker.)

Amount:
There were 7 mortars totally, one un-numbered, this was used for tests at Hillersleben, Germany.
The other 6 were numbered from I to VI. One prototype made in early 1940 [This was named “Fenrir”, {Son of Loki}. Six production vehicles made, one in November 1940 [I-“Adam”], three in May 1941 [II-“Eva”, III-“Odin”, IV-“Thor”], and two in August 1941 [V and VI are “Loki” and “Ziu”].
“Loki” was captured by 1st US Army in 1945.

Unit designations:
1. Batterie der Schweren Artillerieabteilung (mot) 833: 2 mortars named ”Adam” and ”Eva”
2. Batterie der Schweren Artillerieabteilung (mot) 833: 2 mortars named ”Thor” and ”Odin”

Other designations are not known, unless that ”Gerät V” was named ”Loki” and ”Gerät VI” was named ”Ziu”.”

Towing vechicles:
Gerät I: MB 597F
Gerät II: MB 507 CV
Gerät III: unknown
Gerät IV: MB 507 C
Gerät V: MB 507 E
Gerät VI: MB 507 C

Short history
In 1940/1941 “sw.H.Battr.(mot.) 833” formed with 2 “Gerät 040” (Karlgerät, 60cm). Circa April/May 1941 “sw.H.Art.Abt.(mot.) 833” formed from sw.H.Battr.(mot.) 833 with 2 “Gerät 040 [Karlgerät, 60cm].
On 22.June 1941 HQu being formed in WK.III.
1st Battr / schw. Art. Abt.(mot.) 833 was deployed to” IV.Armeekorps”, 17.Armee in H.Gr.Süd near Brest-Litovsk [I-“Adam” and II-“Eva”]. Adam fired 16 rounds, Eva’s first round stuck in the barrel.
2nd Battr / schw. Art. Abt.(mot.) 833 was placed as 4.Armee reserve in H.Gr.Mitte near Lemburg (III-“Odin” and IV-“Thor”). “Thor” fired four rounds, “Odin” was disabled by a broken track.
1941
Used at Lvov.
1941
sw.H.Art.Abt.(mot.) 833 re-equipped.
July 1941
sw.H.Art.Abt.(mot.) 628 recieved I to IV. This was a new unit.
August 1941
Guns V and VI (“Loki” and “Zui”) were issued to sw.H.Art.Abt.(mot.) 638.
June 1942
Thor [IV] and Odin [III] used at Sevastopol. Fired 197 rounds.
October 1942 to Summer 1943
sw.H.Art.Battr.628 used two Gerät 040 [Karlgerät, 60cm] [one is probably Zui, plus one in reserve].
May 1943 [24th]
sw.H.Art.Abt.(mot.) 628 reformed with two Battr of Gerät 040 [Karlgerät, 60cm].
June 1943
First 54cm barrel delivered, at least three were made. Thor, Zui and one unkown are known to have used this barrel.
September 1943
sw.H.Art.Abt.(mot.) 628 re-equipped.
1944
One gun on its way to bombard Paris was destroyed by its crew.
August 1944
Battery 638 in action at Warsaw [included Zui]
1944/1945
Odin [III] was disabled when its barrel burst.
|6th December 1944
Battr.(t.mot.)(60cm Karl 040) 428 equipped with two Gerät 040 [Karlgerät, 60cm].
Battr.(mot.) 638 equipped with two Gerät 041 [Karlgerät, 54cm].
1944/1945
“Loki” was lost in Hungary.
1944/1945
The Americans captured “Zui”.
1945
The prototype Fenrir {Son of Loki} was captured on testing range at Hillersleben. It had been used to test the 54cm barrel.


Hi!
What is the source of this information?

RB

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 15 Jul 2004 10:02

Karl-Gerät Nr. I was named Rex
Karl-Gerät Nr. II was possibly named Eva, however there is no photographic evidcence of the name on the gun itself, only on a tarpulin draped over the gun, so this is only speculative.
Karl-Gerät Nr. IV was named Thor
Karl-Gerät Nr. V was named Loki
Karl-Gerät Nr. VI was named Ziu

No photographic evidence exist of any names assigned to Karl-Gerät Nr. III or VII.

Thus, the only names we can be certain of were for Karl-Gerät Nr. I, IV, V and VI.

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Post by Kurt_Steiner » 15 Jul 2004 10:08

1279_1038446556.jpg looks like a 80 cm Kanone (Eisenbahn)

Anzio Annie.jpg is, of course, a 28 cm Kanone (Eisenbahn)

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Re: 60cm-Mörser Karl

Post by jopaerya » 12 Aug 2009 08:50

Here a picture of this gun from Ebay.de

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Post by jopaerya » 12 Aug 2009 09:09

This looks like's a barrel of the Karl also from Ebay.de
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Post by jopaerya » 14 Oct 2010 19:00

Hello

Here some picture's from the 60cm Mörser Gerät 040 from Ebay.de

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Oct 2010 19:05

These are from BaMa Koblenz
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Re: 60cm-Mörser Karl

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Oct 2010 15:40

Hi Jopaerya,

The second image that you posted on 14 Oct shows a 42cm Skoda M17 barrel trailer. Not 60cm Morser Karl

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Post by jopaerya » 17 Oct 2010 16:17

Hi Sturm78

You are right , never trust a photocaption :D

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Re: 60cm-Mörser Karl

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 17 Oct 2010 16:50

Hello,

just wanted to add my 5cents: photos from BA-KO shows Karl during Warsaw Uprising in 1944.
In warsaw is still concrete plate use as 'foundation' for laying hull of Karl on it.

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 17 Oct 2010 16:54

....i'm not sure if 60 cm gun 10.jpg is from Karl - I feel it might be a Skoda mortair.

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Post by jopaerya » 21 Feb 2011 20:39

Here a other picture of this gun from Ebay .

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Post by Xavier » 21 Feb 2011 22:09

the 14 oct photo (60 cm gun 12.jpg (52.77 KiB) ) belongs indeed to the series, is a trailer loaded with boxed shells for it, you can see the small crane above the big ammo boxes...
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Re: 60cm-Mörser Karl

Post by jopaerya » 28 Dec 2012 19:04

Hello All

I have a quistion about the wheels of the track of the Mörser , looks there are two versions
one as you can see on the photo's here above and a other version like this picture from Ebay ??

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