88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Re: 88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Post by jopaerya » 26 Aug 2008, 19:58

Hello

It's this a forrunner from the 8.8 cm R-Werfer 43 or the Karola or a other device ???
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... lit=karola

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Re: 88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Post by Grzesio » 28 Aug 2008, 13:35

Range was not as important as it might seem given that the EFFECTIVE range of Püpchen sights was only 230m
Pueppchen sights were actually scalled from 180 to 700 m, what coresponded to actual ranges from 140-550 m to 200-850 m depending of temperature.
I have a question...I read somewhere that this weapon Puppchen entered service in march 1943, can anyone confirm this?
Rather not, if my memory serves me. I think first launchers were delivered somewhere in the autumn of 1943, while first bigger ammo lots in early 1944 only.
It's this a forrunner from the 8.8 cm R-Werfer 43 or the Karola or a other device ???
It's obviously a Pueppchen prototype - it only lacks the shield and gas deflector, wheels are removed and wheel axles are of slightly different construction. Very interesting find!

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Re: 88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Post by jopaerya » 02 Jun 2009, 16:52

Hello

A picture of the Raketenwerfer 43 ( Puppchen ) from Ebay

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Post by jopaerya » 01 Oct 2010, 19:47

Hello

A nice picture of the R.W. 43 , please look also on the target ( tank ) on the barrack .

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Post by jopaerya » 13 Nov 2010, 18:20

Hello

Here a Pupchen at a town squire from Ebay.usa .

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Re: 88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Post by Lkefct » 15 Nov 2010, 08:39

I believe the idea is to have a weapon that used less propellant and/or can be fired from inside a bunker.

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Re: 88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Post by AvB » 17 Dec 2010, 02:25

Two pictures of a Püppchen

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/photosnorm ... /contacts/

In the background a 5cm Pak 38, 8.8cm Pak 43 (?),
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Re: 88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Post by Manuferey » 17 Dec 2010, 22:51

Hi AvB,

Regarding the top picture, it is not a 5 cm Pak 38 but a 7,5 cm Pak 97/38. But the wheels are different from what we normally see, at least the one in the front.

I think there are two 8,8 cm Pak 43/41 guns: a Pak 43/41 (with elevated barrel, the shield is visible as well as the top of one wheel) and behind another Pak 43/41 with the horizontal barrel.

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Post by jopaerya » 08 Mar 2011, 20:11

A nice photo from the back of a captured Pupchen from Ebay

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Post by Manuferey » 23 Apr 2011, 00:11

NO RESPECT FOR WAR MONUMENTS !

Two Püppchen were recently stolen from a small town in Brittany, France. Be on the look-out (BOLO) !

From http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=182341

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Re: 88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Post by Daniel L » 02 Jun 2011, 19:35

Any evidence of the weapon being used by Fallschirmjäger formations?

Was it phased out to the Volkssturm at the end of the war? I've seen Volkssturm units being presented with it.

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Post by jopaerya » 02 Jun 2011, 21:51

Hello Daniel

Martin Block is allways working with original information http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1578654 , I have one picture seen from a cellar with a Puppchen the troop looks to be Volkssturm , but I can't find right now .

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Post by Daniel L » 02 Jun 2011, 23:39

Thanks, I found it myself just after the request. It is the only documentation I have found so far though.

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Post by Manuferey » 03 Jun 2011, 03:49

Daniel L wrote:Any evidence of the weapon being used by Fallschirmjäger formations?
Here is an excerpt from Oberst von der Heydte, CO of FJR.6 in Normandy, in its debriefing by the US Army in 1948: "Later on, this [14th AT] company was also equipped with Püppchen (88 mm heavy AT rocket launchers)".
(source: NARA # MS-B-0839).

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Re: 88mm RWfr.43 ?

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Post by Daniel L » 04 Jun 2011, 12:29

Thank you!

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