4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

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4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by dragos » 08 Mar 2004 18:40

I'm looking for photographs or drawings of Austrian-built 47 mm anti-tank gun (Böhler)

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Reason: NEVER 47mm, but EVER 4,7 cm !!!!

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Post by PanzerVI » 08 Mar 2004 22:56

Here you go , hope you like it.

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Post by dragos » 09 Mar 2004 00:09

Are you sure this piece is Austrian-built ? It resembles very much the Breda gun.

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Post by dragos » 09 Mar 2004 00:49

Here is a picture of Bohlers in Romanian Army
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Post by Rommel8 » 09 Mar 2004 01:09

PanzerVI wrote:Here you go , hope you like it.

Best regards /Bogdan


I was going to say the samething. It looks like a Breda

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Post by Kenshiro » 09 Mar 2004 13:20

but did Breda not reproduced the bohler gun?

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Post by dragos » 09 Mar 2004 13:30

Mostly, but not identical. One easy noticeable difference is the barrel's muzzle.

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Post by PanzerVI » 09 Mar 2004 17:03

See thishttp://www.comandosupremo.com/Cannone4732.html
It's where I got the pic from , an italian army refference page.No Breda there , in fact read the first paragraph which clearly indicates that it was produced by the italians.

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Post by dragos » 09 Mar 2004 19:24

From that page you provided:
It was first produced in Austria but its use soon spread outside Austria and licenses to produce the gun were taken up by Italy. In fact the Italian production run reached a point where the Böhler gun became regarded as an indigenous Italian weapon, the Canone da 47/32 M35.


Canone da 47/32 M35 = Breda

Yes, the two guns were almost identical. In the photo bellow, Breda is in the near plane and Bohler is in the second plane.
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Dutch Bohler

Post by nuyt » 07 Sep 2005 20:09

I think the second gun in the last pic could be an ex-Dutch Bohler: these had muzzle breaks and shields and an ingenious DAF carriage. Either Austrian built or Artillerie Inrichtingen (Dutch State Arsenal).
If I am right that would be a great find! Any more pics or info on this particular cannon?
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Post by Grigory » 10 Sep 2005 09:50

Austiran-build 47mm Böhler Mod.35B was also used in Lithuanian (and may be Estonian) army. Ex-Lithuania guns were used in Red Army in 1941, and some of them were captured by Wehrmaht and designated as PaK 196(r) which lead to common mistake that Böhler guns were adopted in Russia.

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Post by Tony Williams » 12 Sep 2005 07:56

A shot of the ammo from the Ammo Photo Gallery on my website - it's the 47x195R case. Does anyone have a projectile to go with it? :D

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Post by ducatim901 » 15 Sep 2005 23:57

Even the Dutch army had them, and one Böhlerpag (pag = pantser afweer geschut in german Pak and in english AT) is still left in the museum Hoeffer (the former dutch army museum).
there also are two turrets left for the Böhlerpag, one in geniemuseum and one in a dependance of the museum Hoeffer, the two turrets were ordered before the surrender and were never used in pillboxes, the turrets were delivered from Luik in Belgium after the germans became the rulers in Holland.
in the National archieves there are nice drawings and even a factory folder for the dutch army.

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Post by jopaerya » 17 Sep 2007 15:26

Hello All

Who knows what country('s) used the 4,7 cm Böhler pak
with muzzle brake and which without the muzzle brake ??

Photo = Ebay.de

Regards Jos
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Post by ducatim901 » 17 Sep 2007 18:08

Hai Jos,
They both look like the Dutch version.
Greetings JK.

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