4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by peeved » 12 Sep 2011 22:05

Hi Nuyt,

And thanks for pinpointing the photo location. Remarkable feat considering the eBay preview photo quality.

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Oct 2011 10:40

Hi all,

An image of a 47mm Breda italian gun in german use (I think):

Image from Ebay
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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by David W » 22 Oct 2011 00:09

The photo of the gun in use with the G.G.F.F shows what a superb low profile it had in the wheels off firing position.

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by jopaerya » 21 Dec 2011 19:04

Here a 4.7 cm Böhler in action , photo is from Ebay .

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Franzl Rider » 21 Feb 2012 11:49

Dutch Bohler with German policetroops Polizeibatalion 93 in Holland. From ebay.
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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by peeved » 25 Mar 2012 10:20

Dutch Böhler postcard from exp. eBay.de.

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Re: 4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Manuferey » 01 Apr 2012 14:48

A 47/32 or 4,7 cm Pak 177(i) inspected by regimental sergeant-major P.Lawson of 2/32nd Australian Infantry Battalion on July 30, 1942 in the Western desert in Egypt. Note the camouflage painting.

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Another gun captured by Australian troops at Tocra, Libya, between March and June 1941:

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Re: 4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by assfort » 26 Apr 2012 19:23

(from Facebook ) A nice non-firing replica under construction for display in 1942 bunker, somewhere in Italy :)
The barrel is a light pole, modified. :P

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Re: 4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Stan P » 06 May 2012 00:50

Photo 4,7cm Bohler gun in army of Republic of Latvia (not Lithuania !) from Latvian Forum about Latvian Army 1920-1940. The guns almost certainly was Made in Austria.

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Re: 4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Stan P » 06 May 2012 00:58

... 8O where is photo ? :D not loaded

NOW all is OK
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Post by Stan P » 07 May 2012 19:48

Another photo of 47mm Bohler gun in Latvian Army from parade on December 06, 1939. One horse traveling position with limber.
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Re: 4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Stan P » 07 May 2012 19:56

In the peevet's post from Dec 05, 2010 is very interesting photo of probably Bundesheer (as is the description for a photo) 4,7cm Böhlers gun with motorcycle wheels. For me the wheels of gun look like as the estonian Böhler guns (maybe soldiers in this photo are Estonian ?). In the Internet I find only small pictures of estonian Böhler – in cover of Estonian book of Mati Õun „Eesti sõjavägi 1920–1940” from 2001 about Estonian Army 1920-1940. The pictures is very small but the wheels are identical (for me). What do You thing about this ? I put the photo compilation with cover the estonian book and peevet's post photo.

Maybe someone has this book - estonian member of AHF? - and write something about the estonian 47mm Böhler guns ?.

Conclusion: I thing, in 1940 the Red Army captured two types of 47mm Böhler gun after annexation of Baltic States. Ex-latvian guns (no shield, with muzzle break, wheels look like the netherlands guns and interesting camouflage) and ex-estonian guns (no shield, without muzzle break, wheels look like the motorcycles and without camouflage). All the Soviet Army 47mm Böhler guns captured by Germans knows as 4,7cm Pak 196(r) in German service, but have Soviet's soldiers ever had used in frontline the Böhler guns ? In Russian literature, nothing of this is. What do You thing about this ?

In the next images probably is ex-latvian gun in Soviet's service.
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Re: 4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by eppanzer » 09 May 2012 04:31

Stan P wrote:and write something about the estonian 47mm Böhler guns ?
AFAIK the Estonian Army had only 4
47mm Böhler AT guns along to 44 3.7 cm German PaKs.
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but have Soviet's soldiers ever had used in frontline the Böhler guns ? In Russian literature, nothing of this is.
47mm Böhler AT guns were left in the 24th teritorial rifle corps. 2 divisions of the 24th corps, in general formed by the personell of the ex-Latvian Army, didn't like to fight for soviets. So most of the 96 (116?) ex-latvian Böhlers were left.
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In the next images probably is ex-latvian gun in Soviet's service.
Well, the soviets looks like from the more later period of the war. I see the ZB-26 LMGs, russian Maxims and an unknown heavy MG (ZB-53 vz. 37?) on tripode in the back, close to the wall. No one of these firearms could not be found in the Latvian Army, occupied in summer, 1940. But all these guns could be found with Baltic battalions and legions (Demjansk? Courland/Kurland?). Or in some German Waffen-SS units. Or with Romanian Army (except Böhler?) at the Stalingrad?
I believe it is a weapons of some Baltic unit in the Germany service.
So, the Böhler could be ex-Latvian, or could be taken by German Army in the other country.

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Re: 4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Stan P » 19 May 2012 11:39

Eppanzer thank You very much for very interesting informations. The Estonian Army had only 4 Bohler 47mm guns ??? I don't know about this... May be AFAIK were bought the guns just to test only... I thing.

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Re: 4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by eppanzer » 26 May 2012 19:39

Stan P wrote:May be AFAIK were bought the guns just to test only... I thing.
Possible, but, unfortunately, I have lost almost all my data on Estonian artillery guns. I will try to look around.
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