4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

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Post by jopaerya » 17 Sep 2007 18:24

Hi Jack

I thought the same , most photo's of the Italian one's that I saw
have no muzzle brake but what about the other country's ??

Regards Jos

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Post by peeved » 17 Sep 2007 19:17

Most Böhlers in Austrian Army photos I´ve seen don´t have muzzle brakes. The Swiss M35 did but a multi-baffle one, not the usual pepperbox; see photo below.
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Post by jopaerya » 14 Nov 2008 19:25

Hello

Here a other picture of the 4.7 cm Bohler Pak .

Photo = Ebay.de

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 14 Nov 2008 21:15

Has anyone got an idea as to what the towing vehicle is in that last picture ? Alan
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Post by cavalleria » 14 Nov 2008 21:31

the 47mm Breda tended to not have the gun shield,im assuming this was too make it more transportable.

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Post by peeved » 15 Nov 2008 11:43

Dutch Böhler Beute (ebay.de).
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Post by nuyt » 15 Nov 2008 12:32

Jos's pic of the Boehler with shield shows s version I have never seen. The shield is different. The street may be Dutch (windows). Could this be the rare Hembrug 47mm PAK, less than a 100 built in 1940/41 under German supervision?

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Post by nuyt » 15 Nov 2008 18:47

Towing vehicle? Low rear and all terrain tyres suggest ex-Belgian Ford/Marmon-Herrington at tractor

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Post by jopaerya » 15 Nov 2008 19:14

Hi

I had the same idea for the towing vehicle but this would not fit with the Dutch 4.7 cm Pak ,
but your option of the shield that this is one of the 100 built in 1940/41 under German supervision
sounds very logical ( the photo's I have seen from the pre-war Dutch shield are very different )

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Post by s.pak » 16 Nov 2008 23:05

hello all,
Somebody would have images of the ammunitions boxes for 4.7cm Pag (Dutch Bohler)

regards patrick

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Post by s.pak » 21 Nov 2008 12:27

any chance to see that ???

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Post by Ardee » 21 Nov 2008 19:03

Not sure if it's exactly what you seek, but look towards the bottom of this page here:

http://www.grebbeberg.nl/bibliotheek/be ... p0012.html

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Post by s.pak » 21 Nov 2008 22:28

thanks ardee,
but I knew already this site, unfortunaly i dont know if this box is really the ammunition box for this gun, or simply to present this ammunition in the museum.
thank you nevertheless to help me.

regards patrick.

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Post by assfort » 08 Jan 2009 12:39

Good morning to everybody, here a photo of a coastal posting for 47/32 gun, built in 1942 by the Italian army to defend a road to Cagliari.
The gun was simply climbed on, after having removed the wheels, on 3 niches in the walls: one for the support plate, two for the gun carriage.


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A 47/32 from the Artillery Museum in Turin
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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by ducatim901 » 09 Jan 2009 11:07

Hi Assfort the middle picure you posted looksa bit like a wooden Dutch design to house the 4.7 Böhlerpak (the Dutch named it a 4.7.cm PAG).
In 1940 a bunkerdesign was made by the Dutch Army for the 4.7cm PAG, it was a 40 ton turret in a "small" concrete block that could house the 4.7cm two examples of this turret survive today (both are in museums), because the design came to late for the war, the turrets were used in the Cold war to house the guards that were to defend the entrance of a German WWII bunkercomplex that was used in the Cold war as a Airforce HQ.
Because the fact that the turrets were to late they also made wooden casemates, at least at the bridgehead Moerdijk.
When the Fallschirmjäger landed at Dordrecht (Moerdijk is near Dordrecht, about 3/4 KM away) the casemates were aimed wrongly, the 4.7cm's were mobile (in the turrets wich were to be made in the New Dutch Waterline to the 4.7cm PAG was also still a mobile gun and not used as a true immobile fortressweapon) so they could have been used against the FJ, alass i never read they did at Moerdijk but at Dordrecht the 4.7cm PAG was deployed against the FJ.
Greetings Jack.

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