4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by assfort » 16 Sep 2009 22:41

wow :D
a rare and very interesting image. A great platform for a small gun.
The pivot of rotation seems made of concrete and the support dish seems directly supported to the plinth.

In the 1942 technical sketches, the gun was drawn to have a wood loom hooked to an iron rod for a faster rotation.
The diameter is of 3,80 meters

In Sardinia and Sicily there are a lot of platforms as this, some however are greater, for guns from 75 or 100 millimeters.
CIAO

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by karlik » 19 Sep 2009 09:24

More photos of italian version of this AT gun

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Help me please to determine where M35 and where M39?
Thanks!

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by nuyt » 19 Sep 2009 10:49

Thanks Karlik, for those pics.
Note there are three different set of wheels and the first pic show the turnhandles made in a simplified way. That may be a late production model or a minor difference added from one of the co-producing Italian companies.
Have you seen these guns in person? There may have been interesting clues on their bakcground engraved in the breechblocks.

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by karlik » 19 Sep 2009 11:11

nuyt wrote:Thanks Karlik, for those pics.
Have you seen these guns in person? There may have been interesting clues on their bakcground engraved in the breechblocks.
Unfortunately no, not seen. :( These pictures I found on the Internet.
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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by nuyt » 19 Sep 2009 11:21

I think the difference between the M35 and M39 is the barrel. The later model as an extra jacket. Note the M39 has two instead of just the heavy rear jacket. You can see it halve way the thinner part of the barrel.

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by karlik » 19 Sep 2009 11:57

Thanks nuyt!

Then photos 1 and 3 is the M39, and Figure 2 is the M35

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by assfort » 19 Sep 2009 12:01

The Model 39 also had suspension modifications (silent-blocks)added to the half-leaf,
but still not made it suitable for towing with vehicles.

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by nuyt » 19 Sep 2009 12:14

here's another survivor, note the wheels
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/49467

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by assfort » 19 Sep 2009 13:58

It is not easy today to find 47/32 guns , despite the Italian industries have produced thousands of guns.
Fortunately, many years ago several guns were given to "complete" the monuments to the Soldiers killed in war.
Throughout the war, the Italian Army study for improvements to the gun, both with new carriages, and with shields, both with stretched barrel.
After the war, as happened in Switzerland, also in Italy the gun carriage and breech were used to realize the cannone da 75/21 for "fixed-installation", which remained in fortification use until the 70s.

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by nuyt » 19 Sep 2009 15:00

I see, and I thought the post war italian army used them for some time, isnt it?

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by peeved » 01 Apr 2010 22:07

Two Böhlers, maybe Dutch at the top... odd rims on the bottom gun (Source eBay.de).

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by assfort » 14 May 2010 16:48

A 47/32 Modello 39 under restoration
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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by peeved » 16 May 2010 07:09

Dutch Böhler (Source eBay.de).

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by jopaerya » 22 Jul 2010 08:16

Hello

A nice contrast , a horse-drawn 4.7 cm PaK gun or was it also used as
"infanterie kanone" . Does anyone know from which army the troops are ??

Photo = Ebay

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Clive Mortimore » 22 Jul 2010 08:46

jopaerya wrote:Hello

A nice contrast , a horse-drawn 4.7 cm PaK gun or was it also used as
"infanterie kanone" . Does anyone know from which army the troops are ??

Photo = Ebay

Regards Jos
Hi Jos

They appear to be Hungarian mountain troops. The feather plume on the side of their caps is quite a distictive feature of these units.

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