4,7 cm Böhler anti-tank gun

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by assfort » 07 Aug 2010 22:40

Yes :D i try..
here a late, rare concrete "pillbox" for AT gun in north-west Sardinia (Alghero). During this period (1943) were built, in fact, mainly uncovered concrete positions ("barbetta") with underground shelter and munitions depot, adaptable to guns of various calibres.

CS III "caposaldo 3", P. 3 "postazione numero 3"
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Now, the early "postazione" designed for the 47/32 gun, in south Sardinia ("Santa Caterina" fortified line, Quartu Sant'Elena, Capoterra, Oristano, Portoscuso..).
Under the loophole, there is a groove to accommodate the plate, after having removed the wheels, and two niches for the tails of the barrel. The firing-room measures an average of 2 meters and 20 centimeters X 2 meters and 10 centimeters.
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this is one of two brackets for the gun tails
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ciao :)
Daniele
Here a Modello 39 gun (made in...1943 !), restored by A.S.S.Fort Sardinia for the Sanluri historical Museum
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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Sturm78 » 03 Sep 2010 13:23

Hi all,

I found this interesting image on Ebay. I think 47mm Bohler-Breda M1935 and 45mm Russian aT gun in German service in Italy. 1944. Polizei or Gebirgsjäger troops?

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by Wolfrider » 15 Sep 2010 14:48

Hello,
I have found this thread only recently. Is there a chance to find a 47mm Böhler gun in Italy or other country for sale? Our group in Czech Republic is reenacting the Reichsgrenadier Division "Hoch- und Deutschmeister", and we would like to acquire this gun for the early war (1938-1939) impresssion - converted Austrian interwar period tunics, Mannlicher rifles (k98 Mausers for the 1939 and on), M17 helmets etc...

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by assfort » 15 Sep 2010 17:32

Good evening, I tried to find a gun like this to fit a restored bunker, but in Italy today is really very difficult to find a 47/32 gun on sale, but also most common weapons, like Breda 37 machinegun...
Perhaps a friend told me that it is easier to find in the former Yugoslavia, where many Axis materials were abandoned and captured.
In Italy it is very difficult to import these historical materials from other Nations, it is difficult also for official museums.
Because of old and punitive Laws, deactivated weapons from other European countries are not accepted in Italy ... even if they are just ... deactivated!
Good luck in your search :)
P.S.: have you tried the 47/32 model they had in Switzerland? In that nation the military equipment are sold without much "paranoia".

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by peeved » 17 Sep 2010 19:59

From eBay.de.

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by jopaerya » 18 Sep 2010 10:34

Does any one know if the Swiss 4,7 cm Böhler has a shorter barrel or is this just optical illusion ??

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by peeved » 18 Sep 2010 11:02

Well spotted Jos,

According to Kurt Sallaz and Peter Riklin in Bewaffnung und Ausrüstung der Schweizer Armee seit 1817, Panzer und Panzerabwehr, the 4,7 cm Infanteriekanone 35 and 35/41 had a barrel length of 1466 mm or 31 calibres without the muzzle brake and a rifling length of 1122,6 mm or 24 calibres.

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by jopaerya » 18 Sep 2010 11:43

Thanks Markus

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by jopaerya » 21 Sep 2010 17:53

Hello

Two photo's from a Dutch 4.7 cm gun in service by the K.N.I.L. in Indonesia ,
special for me, because my grandfather served in this Army ( K.N.I.L. ) .
The tractor is a Vickers Utility Tractor from the Familleureux-factory in Belgium .

Photo's = Beeldbankwo2.nl

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by nuyt » 22 Sep 2010 19:33

For Jos :)
KNIL Boehler:
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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by jopaerya » 22 Sep 2010 19:42

Thanks Nuyt

I really appreciate that . 8O

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by AVV » 22 Sep 2010 20:03

Hello!
jopaerya wrote:I really appreciate that .
Not only you. :wink:

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by assfort » 22 Sep 2010 21:47

Thanks Nuyt , great!

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by nuyt » 24 Sep 2010 17:45

If you search for it at the Overvalwagen Forum you will find a couple more pics....

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Re: 47mm Böhler anti-tank gun

Post by peeved » 10 Oct 2010 21:49

From eBay.de.

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