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Need info on this bunker

Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 22:33

Hello.
I have taken some pictures of a bunker that i want to know more about.I post some pictures, maybe to much for some, so ill hope you are still present when im done.
Any info about it is welcomed.
First picture, nothing really but this is the closest you get and still dont notice it.
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Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 22:36

The entrance is placed in something that look like a small ravine.
In the top of the picture its a 90 degree angle on the bunker with a concrete overhang.

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Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 22:40

At the 90 degree angle, under the overhang there is a opening covering the entance to the small ravine, to the right of this opening a smaller one with a tube/pipe coming out.

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Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 22:42

Entrance in to the bunker, another small tube/pipe on the right of this one.
The rubbish almost cover the entrance.

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Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 22:51

A peep in to the entrance, didnt enter, but told it contains several/lots of rooms, some eqipment still present some/few. years ago

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Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 22:55

Its difficult to estimate size on the outside, but something between
10-15m X 10-15m can be right.
On top of the bunker there is a steel plate, aprox 4x1,5 m, in a (aprox) 45 degree angle.

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Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 22:56

close up

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Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 22:59

ventilation ?

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Post by stril » 09 Mar 2004 23:02

Last one, a overview.
It would have been nice if anyone could provide some info of the type of this bunker.
Next thing is interior pictures and measure.
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Post by Erik E » 09 Mar 2004 23:33

Hello!

One thing I can tell you for sure, is that this bunker was an important one!
The use of "Flankierende anlage"(DSC2713) are not common at all in Norway, and are until now only found on Regelbau bunkers.
Another important detail can be seen on DSC2712. The steelbar over the entrance and the detail to lead away water from the entrance, are also a typical sign for a regelbau.

On photo DSC2711 you can clearly see an 483P2 entrance defence, aswell as a 434P1 armoured door. These parts can be found in vf and SK structures too, but the slits for electrical equipment togeter with what seems to be an antenna outlet again supports the Regelbau theory.

The 45 degree steelplate is indeed a 7P7 stahlschartenplatte. The angle it is placed in can not be for anything else than observation.

My thery is that we are looking at some kind of fire controlpost, most likely for a artillery group, either coastal artillery or fixed field artillery.

I would have to ask you to enter this ASAP :) , make a quick drawing and post it here!! This is really interesting!
If you have the Rudi Rolf book, try to compare it with a R-627. It could be a changed version of this!
Seriously, I think I have to visit my brother in Bergen soon!

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 09 Mar 2004 23:58

Hi All,

I agree with Erik that this is a bombproof bunker and judging to the position and usage of the plate it's definately an observationpost.
You mention the positioning of the armoured plate in a 45 degree angle.

In which way is it positioned in this angle. vertically or horizontally. I mean a schraeger Deckeplatte of a normal Deckeplatte
Judging from the photo's it seems the plate is vertically. Is there also an observationslit under the plate or is this closed (concrete). A 627 has a slit under the plate in an angle of 45 degrees to the rest of the bunker. A 615 uses the fire-opening of the plate as an opening for a Scherenfernrohr. Here the plate is placed facing downwards.
So it is a 627 or a 615. Most probably a 627 with the firing-opening used in stead of the slit?

However, if it is a 615 this could be the first one ever discoverd.

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Post by stril » 10 Mar 2004 00:52

Hello Erik and Peter.
Thanks for answering.
I have been looking at R.Rolfs book, and tried to compare with som drawings out of your descriptions.
The best solution to when looking at the numbers your providing 615/626/627 is a what you call a 627(in page 140).
Its also match with the size, i tought something between 10-15 meters in each direction, 627 say 11,80m X 11,10m.
Ill go out there shortly and measure and make a drawing that might sort it out.
Must admit that i find it quite interesting :)
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Post by Erik E » 10 Mar 2004 00:53

Hello Peter!

Your input is most welcome!R-615 is also a very interesting candidate :)

I just saw another detail on photo DSC2712. It seems like there is a second entrance to the right, judging bu the "Regel renne" as we like to call it :) I guess this is for a Ringstand....

Stril, could you confirm this???

Erik

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Post by stril » 10 Mar 2004 01:04

Hello Erik.
Didnt notice anything but as i mention it was filled with rubbish outside, there was a opening beside the entrance, but a small one.
Ill have to check it out further, but there should be something one the right side of that door(inside), seems like there was a entrance to the right and left inside the bunker.
Ill post a bad photo taken in the right direction.
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Post by Erik E » 10 Mar 2004 01:27

Could be a ringstand.

Those Rs entrances are indeed smaller than the main entrance. However, you should be able to see it on top of the bunker unless it is completely filled in.......

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