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In the thread about captured & coverted French equipment you can see these 25mm Mle1934 and Mle1937AT guns - 2.5cm Pak 112(f) and 113(f) - and 8mm Hotchkiss HMGs - sMG 257(f) - used by German troops.
I already saw a photo of a German soldier with a MAS-36 rifle - Gewehr 242(f) - ... and I have photos with FM 24/29 LMGs - leMG 116(f) -, St Etienne MGs - sMG 256(f) -, 47mm Mle1937 and Mle1939 AT guns - 4.7cm Pak 181(f) and 183(f) -etc.
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I already saw a photo of a German soldier with a MAS-36 rifle - Gewehr 242(f) - ... and I have photos with FM 24/29 LMGs - leMG 116(f) -, St Etienne MGs - sMG 256(f) -, 47mm Mle1937 and Mle1939 AT guns - 4.7cm Pak 181(f) and 183(f) -etc.
Regards,
David
ooo, David could you post the picture of the German soldier with the MAS-36?Panzermeyer wrote:In the thread about captured & coverted French equipment you can see these 25mm Mle1934 and Mle1937AT guns - 2.5cm Pak 112(f) and 113(f) - and 8mm Hotchkiss HMGs - sMG 257(f) - used by German troops.
I already saw a photo of a German soldier with a MAS-36 rifle - Gewehr 242(f) - ... and I have photos with FM 24/29 LMGs - leMG 116(f) -, St Etienne MGs - sMG 256(f) -, 47mm Mle1937 and Mle1939 AT guns - 4.7cm Pak 181(f) and 183(f) -etc.
Regards,
David
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In fact it has been posted by someone else here on a "please ID" thread about an e-bay photo, the man was probably just testing the rifle for the photo, it is not a whole platoon equiped with MAS-36s. If you don't find it again I will send it to you privately. I have stored the photo for my own pleasure and I cropped the edges, perhaps the owner of this photo will not be glad by now of I post it here ?
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David
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David
Hi David:Panzermeyer wrote:In fact it has been posted by someone else here on a "please ID" thread about an e-bay photo, the man was probably just testing the rifle for the photo, it is not a whole platoon equiped with MAS-36s. If you don't find it again I will send it to you privately. I have stored the photo for my own pleasure and I cropped the edges, perhaps the owner of this photo will not be glad by now of I post it here ?
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David
In a follow up to your good post about captured French equipment in German serive, how would you rate:
1. Captured equipment (tank and anti tank) in German service?
2. Captured equipment (personnel/small arms/squad weapons/rifles etc) in german service?
I think what I am trying to ask is rate of prevelence(in what kind of troops) and extenet of use
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Hello,
All kind of French trucks, halfracks etc. served all the war in great numbers as you could read it in the thread about French captured/converted vehicles in the Panzer and vehicles secion of the forum. Some trucks were seen as not very good ones in the harsh muddy and cold conditions of the eastern front like the Renault AHS and AHN, other trucks like the Renault AGR and several halftracks were beloved. Without the French booty the creation new divisions for Barbarossa and the motorization of some others could not have occured, at least not in time.
French armored cars and tanks served in frontline units in 1941/1942 later mostly in police/security/training tasks. Even in 1945 you could find B2(f) and other French tanks.
French small arms were spread in many units, defenses (atlantic wall) and countries. Mostly in second line and Luftwaffe units, the first line troops had usually homogenous German small arms after 1941.
The French guns were also widely used/converted. In coastal defenses, in second line troops but also in frontline troops. The AT guns were used on the eastern front at first but also on the western front ... I have seen Pak97/38 defending southern French coasts against Anvil/Dragoon for example.
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David
All kind of French trucks, halfracks etc. served all the war in great numbers as you could read it in the thread about French captured/converted vehicles in the Panzer and vehicles secion of the forum. Some trucks were seen as not very good ones in the harsh muddy and cold conditions of the eastern front like the Renault AHS and AHN, other trucks like the Renault AGR and several halftracks were beloved. Without the French booty the creation new divisions for Barbarossa and the motorization of some others could not have occured, at least not in time.
French armored cars and tanks served in frontline units in 1941/1942 later mostly in police/security/training tasks. Even in 1945 you could find B2(f) and other French tanks.
French small arms were spread in many units, defenses (atlantic wall) and countries. Mostly in second line and Luftwaffe units, the first line troops had usually homogenous German small arms after 1941.
The French guns were also widely used/converted. In coastal defenses, in second line troops but also in frontline troops. The AT guns were used on the eastern front at first but also on the western front ... I have seen Pak97/38 defending southern French coasts against Anvil/Dragoon for example.
Regards,
David
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French 25mm SA34 and 25mm APX SA-L Mle37 L/72
- in German service : 2.5cm Pak 112(f) and 113(f) -
Weight : 480kg (SA34 carriage) or 300kg (SA37 carriage)
Length : 3.71m
Width : 1.05m
Barrel length : 1.80m
Rate of fire : 15-30 rpm
Traverse : 60°
Elevation : 5° to +15°
Telescopic sight : aiming sight L.711 4x
Muzzle velocity : 918m/s
Practical AT range : 800m (against tanks) - 1500m (against softskins)
Ammunitions :
Cartouche Mle1934 P - in German service : Pzgr 114(f) -
Caliber : 25x194R mm
Weight of shell : 0.320 kg (tungsten core) (900g for the whole ammunition)
V° = 918 m/s
Penetration : 40mm /30° at 400m
Other photos where you can see the 25mm French AT gun :
- in German service : 2.5cm Pak 112(f) and 113(f) -
Weight : 480kg (SA34 carriage) or 300kg (SA37 carriage)
Length : 3.71m
Width : 1.05m
Barrel length : 1.80m
Rate of fire : 15-30 rpm
Traverse : 60°
Elevation : 5° to +15°
Telescopic sight : aiming sight L.711 4x
Muzzle velocity : 918m/s
Practical AT range : 800m (against tanks) - 1500m (against softskins)
Ammunitions :
Cartouche Mle1934 P - in German service : Pzgr 114(f) -
Caliber : 25x194R mm
Weight of shell : 0.320 kg (tungsten core) (900g for the whole ammunition)
V° = 918 m/s
Penetration : 40mm /30° at 400m
Other photos where you can see the 25mm French AT gun :
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And you can see a picture of the 25mm ammo next to other AT gun ammo on the Ammunition Photo Gallery on my website at: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankammo.html
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