Pak-40 in Romanian service.

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Pak-40 in Romanian service.

Post by Mait » 11 Jul 2002 21:37

Question: when did Romania receive German Pak-40 anti-tank guns?

Another question (to Ovidius): Do You happen to now something about Romanian infantry mortars?

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Post by Victor » 12 Jul 2002 20:26

The Pak 40s were imported in 1943.
Look here http://www.wwii.home.ro/art.htm

The Romanian infantry used 60 mm, 81.4 mm and 120 mm mortars.
Look here http://www.wwii.home.ro/inf.htm and here http://www.wwii.home.ro/weaponry.htm

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Post by Mait » 12 Jul 2002 22:31

Hello Victor.

Do You happen to know how many 50mm Soviet infantry mortars were used by Romanian Army? Or were they used at all?

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Post by Victor » 13 Jul 2002 10:11

It appears they were used. However, i don't know the numbers. i will try to find something, but I'm not too optimistic.

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Post by Andy H » 13 Jul 2002 11:57

The M24 120mm was a direct copy of the Russian 120mm mortar and was produced by Resita. The 60mm was produced bt Regia Metalurgica, whilst the 81.4mm by Voina.

During 1942 some 1500 60mm & 360 81mm mortars were recieved from captured French stocks.

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Post by Andy H » 13 Jul 2002 12:00

The Romanian 1st Armoured Division had in the winter of 1942 had 9 75mm PaK40's serving within it's AT company.

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Post by Victor » 13 Jul 2002 20:53

Yes, you are right. I forgot about those. There were also 9 Pak 38s (50mm). All were towed by Zugkraftwagens.

Btw, not all 120 mm mortars used were produced at Resita. Some were captured pieces.

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Post by Mait » 18 Jul 2002 15:18

Were any German made 120mm infantry mortars (also a copy of 120mm soviet model) given or sold to Romanian army?

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Post by Victor » 18 Jul 2002 20:24

No, only captured pieces and Romanian copies made at Resita.

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Post by Mait » 22 Jul 2002 16:58

How many Pak 97/38 were in use with Romanian Army (period after Stalingrad before Kursk)?

How many Pak-40?

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Post by Victor » 23 Jul 2002 14:15

At Stalingrad, each infantry division had 6 Pak 97/38.
In the spring and summer of 1943, the Romanian front line units: the Cavalry and Mountain Corps, which had not been at Stalingrad, received 84 Pak 97/38 and 120 Pak 38.
In late 1943, the AT units of the infantry divisions were equipped entirely with Pak 38s and 75 mm pieces (Resita, Pak 97/38, Pak 40)

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Post by Mait » 25 Jul 2002 19:31

Has anyone got good pictures or photos about PAK-97/38?

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Post by Jay Felsberg » 12 Oct 2003 01:33

Got this off one website or another

the following assessment of the effectiveness of the 7,5 cm Panzerjägerkanone 97/38
is a translation from a book called 'Die deutsche Panzerjägertruppe 1935 - 1945' written by
Wolfgang Fleischer and Richard Eiermann and published in 1998.


As one of the first of these makeshift solutions the 7,5 cm Panzerjägerkanone 97/38
reached the frontlines in early summer 1942. ... In the beginning mostly captured french and
polish ammunition was used but soon replaced, with the exception of HE-munitions, by
HEAT-rounds
of german fabrication. These were able to penetrate 70mm of armor-plate (7,5 cm Granatpatrone
15/38 HL/A(f)) irrespective of target distance. The ultimately delivered 7,5 cm Granatpatrone
97/38 HL/C(f) could penetrate 100 mm. For the 7,5 cm Granatpatrone Panzer (p) a penetration
power
of 58 mm armor-plate at 500 m distance and of 45mm at 2000 m are given.
In the authum of 1942 about 1600 guns of this type were available. Finally a small number of
150 pieces of the 7,5 cm Panzerjägerkanone 97/40 was produced. Only difference: the gun-carriage
was that of the 7,5 cm PAK 40.
Both modells were used in platoons of two guns each with the companies of antitank bataillons
(Panzerjägerabteilung).
At first they were classified as heavy later as medium antitank guns.
On 26 February 1943 'Schnelle Abteilung 290' reported their combat experiences with the
'schwere Panzerabwehrkanone 7,5 cm (f)':
"At distances between 200 - 800 m T-34 tanks could be engaged with good results."
As further advantages of the gun its effectiveness against infantry attacks, its low height and
easy training in every direction was pointed out.
The lack of tracer proved to be a disadvantage and caused a hight expediture of ammunition.
A report by Heeresgruppe Nord claimed as many as 12 to 24 rounds necessary for each tank kill.
This was aggravated by the fact that the gun had no semiautomatic breechmechanism which
already slowed its rate of fire.
Another disadvantage was the 'jumping' of the gun when fired. This caused the gunner to
lose sight of his target after each shot. Moreover the manual firing mechanism tended to
fail quite often.
With the increase in production of the 7,5 cm PAK 40 the remaining guns were handed over
from the Panzerjägerabteilungen to the regimental antitank companies
[14.(Infanterie-Panzerjäger-)Kompanie]
of the infantry divisions. In 1945 they still could be found few in number in some fortress-antitank
units
(Festungs-Pak-Verbände).


The only unit identified in the above mentioned book is 712. Infanterie-Division. The 14th companies
of its infantry regiments each had three 7,5 cm Panzerjägerkanonen 97/38 in their inventory in 1944.
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pak 97

Post by Jay Felsberg » 12 Oct 2003 02:51

a posed shot...looks like sgt bilko *lol*
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