Anti-tank gun identification

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Anti-tank gun identification

Post by dragos » 16 Jun 2004 21:48

Hello,

I need your opinion regarding this anti-tank gun manned by Romanian soldiers. Is this a Soviet 45 mm or a German 37 mm anti-tank gun?
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Post by Harri » 16 Jun 2004 22:56

I think it is Russian 45 mm AT gun (look at the wheels).

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Post by dragos » 16 Jun 2004 23:09

Edited: What about this gun? It is the German 37 mm, isn't it?
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Post by Juha Tompuri » 16 Jun 2004 23:14

I think the one at the foreground is a German 37mm, but what´s the one behind it? The one which (short) barrel is pointing to the right.

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Post by Harri » 16 Jun 2004 23:18

No, I think they too are all Soviet guns. There were many versions of 45 mm AT guns and some of them look very much like German 37 mm PaK 35/36.

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Post by dragos » 16 Jun 2004 23:18

A Soviet 76.2 mm regimental gun model 1943 ?
http://www.battlefield.ru/guns/field_6.html

The third gun is certainly the 76.2 mm regimental gun model 1927
http://www.battlefield.ru/guns/field_1.html

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 16 Jun 2004 23:35

:oops: When I think again, I think Harri and dragos, you got it right.
The wheel discs of the first two guns are similar, so they are from the same country.
Thanks for the lesson :)

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P.S. :) pics dragos

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Post by dragos » 16 Jun 2004 23:48

Juha Tompuri wrote::oops: When I think again, I think Harri and dragos, you got it right.
The wheel discs of the first two guns are similar, so they are from the same country.


Actually it is not that simple :)
Those Soviet guns have the same wheels as the German Pak 35/36 as seen here:
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Post by Juha Tompuri » 17 Jun 2004 00:03

dragos wrote:Actually it is not that simple :)
Those Soviet guns have the same wheels as the German Pak 35/36 as seen here
Well...it seems that the Soviet discs were convex (a word I found from a dictionary :) ) and the German ones were concave, am I right?

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Post by dragos » 17 Jun 2004 00:21

This picture from http://www.thetankmaster.com shows a german pak with the discs a little convex:

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Given this diversity of wheels, my question is wether there were German anti-tank guns with spoked wheels, like most of the Soviet 45s, or not ?

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Post by dragos » 17 Jun 2004 00:28

When I took photo at the museum, I should have measured the muzzle bore with a rule, to see if it's 37 or 45 mm :lol:

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Post by Victor » 17 Jun 2004 08:19

You should have written down what gun was from the metal plate nearby.
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Post by Dan Mouritzsen » 17 Jun 2004 11:24

Hi

I am not able to see it on the first photo but the German 3,7 cm. PAK has a straight barrel at the muzzle, while the Russian 4,5 cm. looks like this:



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Post by Harri » 17 Jun 2004 17:41

dragos wrote:Given this diversity of wheels, my question is wether there were German anti-tank guns with spoked wheels, like most of the Soviet 45s, or not ?


That is a good question. At least I have never seen any real 37 mm PaK or any photo of such with Soviet style spoked wheels.

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Post by dragos » 18 Jun 2004 19:10

Dan Mouritzsen wrote:Hi

I am not able to see it on the first photo but the German 3,7 cm. PAK has a straight barrel at the muzzle, while the Russian 4,5 cm. looks like this:



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Dan Mouritzsen


Thanks for your answer. According to this, the gun at the military museum is a Soviet 45 mm, and the gun in the first photo seems to be Soviet also.

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