Regelbau collection
- Nick_since_1985
- Member
- Posts: 219
- Joined: 30 Jun 2004, 21:27
- Location: Europe
- AvB
- Financial supporter
- Posts: 3425
- Joined: 20 Jun 2004, 01:00
- Location: Utrecht, Netherlands
- Contact:
I will contact you then, maybe I'll pay it a visit in the end of the year.SES wrote:Hi AvB.
Indeed this is where they plan a museum. Officially it is in a military area, but there are no signs which forbids entry, the local population walk their dogs in the area and it is fully accessiable. If you plan to visit, contact me by PM and I'll set you up with the project person. By the way we could need all the help we can get on information related to equipment, furniture, room lay-out, plotting table etc. which we can get on a M 152.
Kind regards
SES
I know of three M 152s in Holland. Unfortunately two of them were used by the Dutch army after the war and were modified, the third one lies near IJmuiden but I've never been inside that one. Must be in original state but all the equipment is gone. Contacting the CIOS at Guernsey could be an idea? They refitted the V 142, don't know if the same equipment was used in that bunker though.
- P. Heijkoop
- Member
- Posts: 718
- Joined: 29 Feb 2004, 19:20
- Location: Middelburg, The Netherlands
- Contact:
Hi All,
The problem with the navy designs is that not many original plans survived the war. Furthermore, most M.152 differ somehwat in their interior plan, depending on their function (Seekommandant or Artillerie-Abteilung). Are there no post-war plans from the Danish army with the orginial lay-out? I seem to remember that in the book about Pikkerbaken there is a plan of this M 152 or is this plan not correct.
Also, some of the navy equipment for Navy bunkers differed from the Heeres-design, this is especially so for the communication equipment. Battery boxes are always different, as are telephones. I would doubt if many bunkertelephone were used in these kind of bunker. I would guess some in the observationroom and furthermore fieldtelephones (type 33) and office-telephones (type 38). Other parts, e.g. the ventillation or heating equipment is most probably the same is in the Heer. One of the best things would be to completely strip the bunker and look for the details on the walls. A HES 2.4 is easily recognisable, as are the Hes 10 etc. Heating was probably the normal Central heating stove.
The Telephone exchange was most probably a Feldvermittung or a Festungsvermittlung zu 100 Ltn. the one on your pictues looks like a post-war edition. Futhermore some trasmitters and recievers, and perhaps one telex.
Plotting table is indeed very difficult. I don't think there are any pictures of ploting tables for Navy-hq, although they would most probably be the same as in the Leitstaende. So a round graduated table. These were also used in Admiralstaende
I think there's a good chance that furniture is the same as in normal bunkers. An M.152 for artillery-purposes is only on Abteilung (bataillon)-level. Thats not that high. There was no admiral inside...
So normal Klapptische, Hoecker etc would be the most logical.
Hope this is of any help.
Most resources for re-fitting bunkers are the observations in the field.
Peter
The problem with the navy designs is that not many original plans survived the war. Furthermore, most M.152 differ somehwat in their interior plan, depending on their function (Seekommandant or Artillerie-Abteilung). Are there no post-war plans from the Danish army with the orginial lay-out? I seem to remember that in the book about Pikkerbaken there is a plan of this M 152 or is this plan not correct.
Also, some of the navy equipment for Navy bunkers differed from the Heeres-design, this is especially so for the communication equipment. Battery boxes are always different, as are telephones. I would doubt if many bunkertelephone were used in these kind of bunker. I would guess some in the observationroom and furthermore fieldtelephones (type 33) and office-telephones (type 38). Other parts, e.g. the ventillation or heating equipment is most probably the same is in the Heer. One of the best things would be to completely strip the bunker and look for the details on the walls. A HES 2.4 is easily recognisable, as are the Hes 10 etc. Heating was probably the normal Central heating stove.
The Telephone exchange was most probably a Feldvermittung or a Festungsvermittlung zu 100 Ltn. the one on your pictues looks like a post-war edition. Futhermore some trasmitters and recievers, and perhaps one telex.
Plotting table is indeed very difficult. I don't think there are any pictures of ploting tables for Navy-hq, although they would most probably be the same as in the Leitstaende. So a round graduated table. These were also used in Admiralstaende
I think there's a good chance that furniture is the same as in normal bunkers. An M.152 for artillery-purposes is only on Abteilung (bataillon)-level. Thats not that high. There was no admiral inside...
So normal Klapptische, Hoecker etc would be the most logical.
Hope this is of any help.
Most resources for re-fitting bunkers are the observations in the field.
Peter
Hi Peter.
Thank you very much for the reply - the first one and indeed a very qualified one. The drawing you refer to reflects the bunker configuratio after it was rebuilt by the Royal Danish Navy and it is somewhat difficult to figure out which walls are new and which might have been removed so the is problem # 1.
I agree on the telephone exchange it looks very post war, but the museum insist that it is the one from the bunker.
On the plotting table my theory is that it was square or rectangular with the MQK on top of a naval chart. The round tables (Album 38.) you mention were used for the Umvertung process converting range and bearing (polar coordinates) from a radar to geo positions (Album 35). These pictures are from a Flak UGRUKO in Esbjerg.
bregds
SES
Thank you very much for the reply - the first one and indeed a very qualified one. The drawing you refer to reflects the bunker configuratio after it was rebuilt by the Royal Danish Navy and it is somewhat difficult to figure out which walls are new and which might have been removed so the is problem # 1.
I agree on the telephone exchange it looks very post war, but the museum insist that it is the one from the bunker.
On the plotting table my theory is that it was square or rectangular with the MQK on top of a naval chart. The round tables (Album 38.) you mention were used for the Umvertung process converting range and bearing (polar coordinates) from a radar to geo positions (Album 35). These pictures are from a Flak UGRUKO in Esbjerg.
bregds
SES
- Attachments
-
- Album 35.jpg (157.79 KiB) Viewed 14920 times
-
- Album 38.jpg (156.44 KiB) Viewed 14920 times
- AvB
- Financial supporter
- Posts: 3425
- Joined: 20 Jun 2004, 01:00
- Location: Utrecht, Netherlands
- Contact:
Kicking the topic again.
Haven't seen these ones coming along.
M 151 at Batterie Annes, Alderney, Channel Islands, sort of a Norwegian atmosphere Hasn't been built a lot in Denmark and Norway is it?
Beautiful 665 at Nymindegab Lager
Mighty 688 near Bihen, France.
Some Luftwaffe types:
L 401 at Stp Höhe-145 at Alderney, Channel Islands
L 401A at Stp Nessel, Boulonge sur Mer, France, the A version is somewhat bigger and has an additional Nahkampfraum
L 409A in Baustarke A on Voorne, Holland.
Haven't seen these ones coming along.
M 151 at Batterie Annes, Alderney, Channel Islands, sort of a Norwegian atmosphere Hasn't been built a lot in Denmark and Norway is it?
Beautiful 665 at Nymindegab Lager
Mighty 688 near Bihen, France.
Some Luftwaffe types:
L 401 at Stp Höhe-145 at Alderney, Channel Islands
L 401A at Stp Nessel, Boulonge sur Mer, France, the A version is somewhat bigger and has an additional Nahkampfraum
L 409A in Baustarke A on Voorne, Holland.
Definately not in Norway!! In general, very few M, S and V-structures exsist in Norway... Those fitted with Regelbau personellbunkers usually got R621 or R622. However, in most occations, Tunnels or Local types of Vf were built.Hasn't been built a lot in Denmark and Norway is it?
Nice photos btw!!
Erik E
- P. Heijkoop
- Member
- Posts: 718
- Joined: 29 Feb 2004, 19:20
- Location: Middelburg, The Netherlands
- Contact:
Regelbau 603
Hi,
Was just going through my photo-collection and found a picture of this very rare bunker. Probably the only one ever built. A Regelbau 603; garage for two tanks.
This bunker can be found near Oostduinkerken (Belgium)
Best Regards,
Peter Heijkoop
The Netherlands
Was just going through my photo-collection and found a picture of this very rare bunker. Probably the only one ever built. A Regelbau 603; garage for two tanks.
This bunker can be found near Oostduinkerken (Belgium)
Best Regards,
Peter Heijkoop
The Netherlands
- Attachments
-
- Regelbau 603.JPG (58.74 KiB) Viewed 14724 times
Hallo!
Most of the photos have been upladed to a gallery here:
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5829
The few remaining will follow soon!
I also want to thanks those of you who participated (so far)
And this thread is ofcourse still open for more additions
There are still a lot of types missing!!
Rgds
Erik E
Most of the photos have been upladed to a gallery here:
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5829
The few remaining will follow soon!
I also want to thanks those of you who participated (so far)
And this thread is ofcourse still open for more additions
There are still a lot of types missing!!
Rgds
Erik E
Hi All !
Constantly only Atlantik Wall ! For change something from Poland – German „sperrbatterie” (4 x 10,5 cm) in Ustka (Stolpmünde).
Leitstand (Regelbau ???)
Cannon position No 1
Cannon position No 2
Cannon position No 3
Cannon position No 4
Munitionsbunker
Munitionsbunker - interior
Regards,
Alkali
Constantly only Atlantik Wall ! For change something from Poland – German „sperrbatterie” (4 x 10,5 cm) in Ustka (Stolpmünde).
Leitstand (Regelbau ???)
Cannon position No 1
Cannon position No 2
Cannon position No 3
Cannon position No 4
Munitionsbunker
Munitionsbunker - interior
Regards,
Alkali