the maginot line 1944-45

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Post by ozs86 » 31 Aug 2002 14:53

i thought the germans would strip everything of for the eastern front and the atlantic wall from this ill-fated concrete submarine... :P

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Post by admfisher » 31 Aug 2002 21:51

Most parts of the west wall were sent to the Atlantic wall, von Luck states in his book.
The west wall was used as shelters but as emplacements in late 44.

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Post by ZackdeBlanc » 02 Sep 2002 05:00

This is in response to Cheshire Yeomanry:

On what do I base my assumptions? The maginot line was logically flawed for several reasons which are not dependent on what time it was build. It was based on the assumption that Belgium would be a powerful ally, enough to block a German offensive. That was perhaps the greatest miscalculation and wrongful assumption in history as the Dutch army was neither an staunch ally, or a strong military power.

Also, the maginot line's very nature was to put off war. Instead of focusing on getting the war over with quickly, the French decided to put it off by hiding their nation from it. Had they focused all their resources on fighting, they might have actually fared better in WW2.

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Post by admfisher » 02 Sep 2002 17:52

I seen yesterday in German Campaigns of WWII that they Beligum people did not want to pay fo the maginot line and the french didnot want to carry under Beligum's border thus cutting her off.

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Post by Dora » 02 Dec 2003 14:50

All,
For those who doubt the Maginot line had any value, just look where the Wehrmacht did attack in the summer of 1940, at Sedan, north of the main portion of the Line. The Maginot line did 'funnel' German attentions to where they could successfully attack. This in itself is a successful application of the fortifications. However, where the line was thin or nonexistant, there were no French or other allied mechanized units in sufficient strength or with the proper tactical doctrine to stop and defeat the Germans.
A far as massive, fixed fortifications in 1944/45 these would have been a big waste of time and money as warfare had greatly changed by then and these 'white elephants' would have only attracted massive air, engineer and artillery power and schielded them and bypassed them as happened on the coast during the invasion.
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Post by bigbuddha » 04 Dec 2003 00:42

For people wondering why the Maginot Line was built, remember how badly the French suffered in WWI. The point of the Maginot Line was to avoid having to fight another war, if the Germans saw that they were faced with such an impressive fortification they wouldn't start another war. Verdun was still fresh in the memories of the French and they didn't want to suffer like that again. The French were very well prepared for war, but they were prepared to fight WWI again, the Germans were prepared to fight a modern war.

Don't forget that WWI and WWII started the same way in Western Europe, with a massive German "left hook" through Belgium. The difference is that in 1914 the BEF could retreat as fast as the Germans could advance as both armies had to march, whereas in 1940 the Germans moved so fast that the allies couldn't retreat in an orderly fashion and regroup in order to stop the Germans. In 1914 the shattered French armies managed to regroup and halt the Germans at the battle of the Marne, in 1940 the Germans moves so fast that the French never had time to regroup. French tactics and communications were still of WWI vintage, and would have been able to stop the Germans if the Germans had also used WWI strategies.

Hitler just dusted of the 1908 Schlieffen Plan used in 1914 and succeeded because he used modern methods to achieve what the Kaiser had failed to do.

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