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Postby jopaerya » 08 Jan 2005 10:57

The Flakleitstand is a regelbautype is a Fl 184 is also used in M.F.B. in France Denmark and Norway.
Could you send me the article about the Marine Flak in Poland please , because maybe
I can used for my own resuch about Marine Flak in the Atlantik Wall.

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Postby beaviso » 08 Jan 2005 16:25

Hello,

Here some mysterious foundation.

It is charateristic to every 4 x 10.5 cm KM Sperrbatterie placed at Hel Peninsula (Hela). It is positioned near guns positions, slightly behind them. I don't believe in theories saying that it might have been the foundation for a searchlight. Firstly, the lightwave would enlight gun positions from behind while shooting to sea targets, secondly searchlights would have posed a nice target, so it was rather irrational to place them so close to the guns.

Does anyone have any idea what the purpose of the depicted object might have been? Or seen anything similar in Norway, Denmark, Germany, France, The Netherlands?

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M.
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Postby jopaerya » 08 Jan 2005 18:19

Hello Beaviso

I saw the bettungen on a other Topic ,
never saw them in a M.F.B. in the Atlantik Wall
I agree with you that this is not for searchlight.
My best gues is that it is a bettung for a 2cm Flak 30
in a Sockel-Laf 29.
Can you help me with a drawing of the 10,5cm Sk C/32
flakbettung in Poland

Jos

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Postby Erik E » 08 Jan 2005 19:57

The Flakleitstand is a regelbautype is a Fl 184 is also used in M.F.B. in France Denmark and Norway.


Have you got some more info on this?
Don`t think I have seen 2 looking the same up here..........

EE

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Postby Alkali » 09 Jan 2005 17:24

Hi all,

jopaerya wrote:Can you help me with a drawing of the 10,5cm Sk C/32
flakbettung in Poland


Temporarily only picture - 10,5cm Sk C/32 flakbettung in Poland (Gdynia area).
Different shapes, different dimensions :lol: Total improvisation :wink:

Rumia
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Gdynia-Kolibki
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Gdynia-Maly Kack
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Hel
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Gdynia-Kolibki
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Jastarnia
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Jopaerya You wrote :

The Flakleitstand is a regelbautype is a Fl 184 is also used in M.F.B. in France, ....

Very interesting. You have photographer of such Flakleitstand ?

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Alkali

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Postby Erik E » 09 Jan 2005 17:51

A type 184 at Munkholmen outside Trondheim:

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Photo from
http://munkholmen.info/munkholmen-festningen.htm

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Postby Alkali » 09 Jan 2005 19:06

Hi,

Erik E., very nice picture, thank :D It is yet small problem - Flakleitstand in Munkholmen has 6-meter range-finder. All Flakleitstand in Gdynia had 4-meter range-finder. 6-meter range-finder were applied only onto Hel Peninsula (Hela) :( Yet there Flakleitstand were completely different.
Picture of some Flakleitstand from region Gdynia.

Gdynia-Kolibki
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Rumia
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Gdynia-Leszczynki
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Gdynia-Babie Doly
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It seems, that they are somewhat different that this in Munkholmen.

Original German copula from 4-m range-finder.

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Alkali

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Postby Erik E » 09 Jan 2005 19:27

WOW!!!

Now thats some interesting photos!!!!!

Erik

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Postby jopaerya » 09 Jan 2005 19:34

Hello Akali

The Driewag- or the Kleinkoggerat were under the panzer ,
that was the same in al the Flakleitstanden only the range finder
is different .
You can see on your pictures that the iron casting of the rang finder
is smaller than the on at M.F.B. Munksholmen.
If you need more info e-mail me.
bunker@zeelandnet.nl

Jos

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Postby kstdk » 09 Jan 2005 19:43

Hello Alkali

Yes, i quite agree with Erik, most interesting pictures !!!

Although you "stole" my topic on - Field fortified flak - BUT that does not matter at all, as long as you guys are coming with such interesting materials !!! :lol:

Keep them coming, please !!!!

But still, if anyone out there have pictures or drawings of Feldmässig Aufgestellte Schwere Flak ( 88 mm ) i would still be pleased to know !!!!

Regards
Kurt
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Postby jopaerya » 09 Jan 2005 19:51

Sorry Sorry Kstdk

We make a mess of your Topic , maybe Erik can
make it right and put it in the Topic Flak.
The foto s are very good Akali . I know
only 4 Armoured Leitstandkuppel.
There is one foto of the bettungen that looks like
a Boforbettung with the 4 cocrete blocks.

Jos

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Postby Valtoro » 09 Jan 2005 21:53

Keep them coming, please !!!!

But still, if anyone out there have pictures or drawings of Feldmässig Aufgestellte Schwere Flak ( 88 mm ) i would still be pleased to know !!!!


kstdk,
Like these ones? (I'm no expert in this :)


http://www.home.no/tjustnes/flak1.html
http://www.home.no/tjustnes/flak2.html

From Justnes, outside Kjevik airfield.

/Valtoro.

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Postby jopaerya » 10 Jan 2005 19:31

Hello Akali

Do you have also info on the 12,8cm M 40 batteries in Gotenhafen ,
I am looking for a drawing of the flakbettungen.
Also heard that the Kommander of M.F.B. Völtzendorf 12,8cm
recieved a Ritterkreuz .

Jos

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Postby Alkali » 10 Jan 2005 20:25

Hi jopaerya

From my information it results, that in Gdynia she was only one battery armed in 12,8 cm - Flakbattery Gdynia-Kolibki (Gotenhafen-Koliebken). Former what least two such cannon - as well as some 10,5 cm.
Pictures are weak, flakbettungen is partly covered the ground. You have to wait to spring, we will her clean.

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M.F.B. Völtzendorf (Gdynia-Chwarzno) was armed in 4 x 10,5 cm, not 12,8 cm !!!!

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Alkali

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You have photographer of such FL 184 Flakleitstand ?

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Postby beaviso » 10 Jan 2005 21:33

In total, 3 commanders of Gotenhafen KM Flak batteries received Knight's Crosses!
- Kdr. Flakbatterie Voeltzendorf (Gdynia-Chwarzno) posthumously
- Kdr. Flakbetterie Lensitz (Łężyce)
- Kdr. Flakbatterie Sagorsch / Rahmel (Rumia-Zagórze, Markowiec)
And the Co. of the whole Gotenhafen KM Flak also received one.

They were awarded for their courage in defending Gdynia from attacking Russian and Polish troops (tanks). As for me, it's better they failed ;)

brgds, M.


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