Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by Jens Andersen » 09 Oct 2011, 21:26

Although i don't understand why a Bunkertype is named after a Gauleiter. Never understood why Koch was so concerned with the defense of East Prussia. Het was more concerned with his power, wealth and art-robbery.
As a Gauleiter Koch was also Reichsverteidigungskommissar. In the first years of the war the commissars didn't have much influence, but after attempt on Hitlers life from Army officers on 20 July 1944 these partymen got more influence
on military matters in their areas, including preparation of the defence.

http://books.google.dk/books?id=Q-4Dw_B ... ar&f=false

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by jopaerya » 18 Apr 2012, 10:30

A nice photo from Sudwallforum , Thanks FX , for a dug-in of a Kochbunker .

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by AvB » 18 Apr 2012, 10:54

Bizarre latewar photo with probabaly slave labors, with an SA-Standartenführer Gruppe Alpenland on the right and a NSDAP Ortsgruppenleiter with Splittertarn jacket on the left!

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by Saska » 18 Apr 2012, 16:22

Hello

Here are one more picture about a "Kochbunker" with Gauleiter Koch from Bildarchiv Süddeutsche Zeitung

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Post by AvB » 18 Apr 2012, 17:13

I'm so surprised about these late war SA guys. What was the SA's function then?

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by ErwinZ » 19 Apr 2012, 12:21

Nach der Ermordung ihrer Führungsspitze im so genannten Röhm-Putsch vom Juni/Juli 1934 verlor die Organisation stark an Bedeutung, blieb aber bis Kriegsende 1945 als Wehrsportorganisation und Veteranenverband bestehen.

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 19 Apr 2012, 15:06

ErwinZ wrote:Nach der Ermordung ihrer Führungsspitze im so genannten Röhm-Putsch vom Juni/Juli 1934 verlor die Organisation stark an Bedeutung, blieb aber bis Kriegsende 1945 als Wehrsportorganisation und Veteranenverband bestehen.
For others like me who knowledge of German is limited I have placed Erwin's reply in Google Translate.
After the assassination of its leaders in the so-called Röhm Putsch in June / July 1934 the organization lost in importance, but remained there until 1945 as a military sports organization and Veterans Association.

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by Saska » 07 Dec 2012, 15:10

Hello

Here is one more picture about the building work of a Kochbunker. The same serie in this picture archiv is furthermore also including two picture from the same time, which are showing very clearly who was does days left in Germany to build such bunkers.

Picture source: Bilderarchiv Süddeutsche Zeitung

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by jopaerya » 08 Dec 2012, 16:29

Hi Saska

Allways thought that the Koch standen were made as pre-fab bunkers on not on the spot . 8O 8O

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 08 Dec 2012, 18:49

Hello
Very nice photo.
I think it is a Friesentonne. It was a 1-man Ringstand cast on-site with a wooden form inside and the hole in the earth outside.
Photo from IBA-Informationen #40.

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Post by jopaerya » 09 Dec 2012, 12:41

Hello Lars

Is there any original drawings , information or plans of the Friesentonne ??

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Post by Heim62 » 09 Dec 2012, 12:42

Hello Folks,
when I see the pictures of this topic it makes me think about two stranges constructions I've seen on the french coast.
Two concrete blocks are lying in the dunes south of Hardelot, in the Stützpunkt Achterberg.
There is a small opening in the bottom, and few iron climbsteps inside. Could they have been Ringstand für 1 Mann, in the idea of a Koch Bunker ?
Here is a picture from my friend M. Rivart:

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both buildings lying few meters from each other, and were originaly built at the top of a dune.

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Post by jopaerya » 09 Dec 2012, 15:22

Hello RV

yes, that is a strange tobruk so small with climsteps and with a concrete step inside .

Photo = Dirk Peeters

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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by dirk Peeters » 09 Dec 2012, 16:48

Its a photo from Tom Oliviers
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Re: Question - What´s this "concrete" ?

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 09 Dec 2012, 21:59

Hello Jos
No I have never seen any original drawings or other things about the Friesentonne.
A number of them were build near the German/Danish border. Some of them can still be seen today.

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