Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Natter » 04 Jan 2011 20:18

Another view of the battery at Vlissingen:
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source: http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=11204630

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Post by Natter » 04 Jan 2011 20:22

Erik E wrote:
I only found that it's was in buildingphase
but as your photo's show ot was ready and is still there
The bunker itself was most likely ready to use, but the entrance area was never completed. No doors or entrance defences in place, just a big hole going straight into the bunker. According to Fjørtofts book "Tyske kystfort i Norge" the torpedotubes never arrived in time to get installed!
Someone (who I think has good knowledge of the topic) recently told me that the torpedotubes did in fact arrive at Bökfjord, and was found much later dumped in the sea outside the battery (if they were ever mounted is another issue though)..?

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by jopaerya » 08 Jan 2011 10:50

Hello

Here a list from Norway from 01-02-1945

1./501 -T.B. Oscarsborg-Kaholm - 3 x 45 cm
7./504 - T.B. Karven - 2 x 45 cm
7./504 - T.B. Ljonaes - 2 x 45 cm
7./504 - T.B. Rutledal - 2 x 45 cm
7./504 - T.B. Angelshaug - 2 x 45 cm
1./505 - T.B. Julholm - 2 x 45 cm
1./505 - T.B. Otteröy-Süd - 2 x 45 cm
?./506 - T.S.B. Hasselvik - 4 x 53 cm
?./506 - T.S.B. Hambaara - 4 x 53 cm
?./516 - T.B. Korshavn - 2 x 50 cm
?./516 - T.B. Porsöy - 2 x 50 cm
?./516 - T.B. Lilian - 2 x 50 cm
?./516 - T.B. Drot - 2 x 50 cm

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Natter » 08 Jan 2011 11:37

jopaerya wrote:Here a list from Norway from 01-02-1945

1./501 -T.B. Oscarsborg-Kaholm - 3 x 45 cm
7./504 - T.B. Karven - 2 x 45 cm
7./504 - T.B. Ljonaes - 2 x 45 cm
7./504 - T.B. Rutledal - 2 x 45 cm
7./504 - T.B. Angelshaug - 2 x 45 cm
1./505 - T.B. Julholm - 2 x 45 cm
1./505 - T.B. Otteröy-Süd - 2 x 45 cm
?./506 - T.S.B. Hasselvik - 4 x 53 cm
?./506 - T.S.B. Hambaara - 4 x 53 cm
?./516 - T.B. Korshavn - 2 x 50 cm
?./516 - T.B. Porsöy - 2 x 50 cm
?./516 - T.B. Lilian - 2 x 50 cm
?./516 - T.B. Drot - 2 x 50 cm
Thank you!

Any idea of what the "S" in "T.S.B." means? I guess it could be related to the poor fortification of these particular batteries, as there were no concrete housing (although the Hasselvik battery should have been re-established in the new solid bunker at Sørviknes in 1945...).

"Lilian" and "Drot" are new names to me. Did the germans change the names of these batteries, or is it possible names of boats - ie "scwimmende torpedobatterie", I know there was at least one at Herdla ("Herdla II") until the permanent batteri was finished?

Obviously some batteries are missing from the list, which is strange due to the late date. Several of the batteries were improved in regards of stronger fortification and new tubes during the war, and I don't think the list reflects the correct armament in 1945 (I would have to check to be sure in each case). For example: Kvarven had 3 tubes, although one of the original 45cm tubes were replaced by the germans with a 50 or 53 cm (I don't remember which) during the war.

All in all, the list would make more sense if it was dated 1942... ;-)

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by jopaerya » 08 Jan 2011 12:01

Hello Natter

The S stands for Sperr ( Torpedo Sperr Batterie )
First I must clear something up , I made this list from small lists ( maybe I have only a part )
The date is correct 01-02-1945 on all documents ??
Only the names "Lilian"and "Drot" are given no further information .

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Janef » 08 Jan 2011 14:13

Lilian and Drot are two floating torpedobatteries. The names are the respective vessels name. They were used mainly in Northern Norway - Narvik and Alta. There were also other floating torpedo batteries along the Atlantic coast - I can post a list if it is of any interest.
BTW the term 50 cm torpedo refers to the pre 1934 German G7 torpedo (G= 50 cm and 7 is the lenght of the torpedo in meters). The diameter of the G torpedo was changed and introduced 1934 as a result og the design program for new submarines.

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Post by jopaerya » 08 Jan 2011 15:44

Thanks Janef

For the information on the two floating torpedobatteries , I am very interested
in your list of the floating torpedo batteries in the Atlantikwall :welcome:

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Natter » 08 Jan 2011 16:47

jopaerya wrote:The S stands for Sperr ( Torpedo Sperr Batterie )
Thank you, I guess this term wasn't used with consistency then.
jopaerya wrote:First I must clear something up , I made this list from small lists ( maybe I have only a part )
Yes - especially as Lilian and Drot wasn't batteries (my list in a previous post is complete for all norwegian batteries).
Janef wrote:Lilian and Drot are two floating torpedobatteries. The names are the respective vessels name. They were used mainly in Northern Norway
JEF
Thank you (interesting signature btw... ;-) ).
jopaerya wrote:I am very interested in your list of the floating torpedo batteries in the Atlantikwall
Ditto... :-)

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Natter » 08 Jan 2011 17:48

I've started on a listing of all batteries (pre-, during and post-WW2), with information about the different types of torpedoes, launchers and sensors etc. It will be a challenge to make it complete, but I'll post it when I have assembled all available data, and then others might be able to help filling the gaps...

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Janef » 08 Jan 2011 18:01

Here is my notes from Bundesarchiv on the matter. I seem to have omittet floating batteries outside Norway.
Landfeste Torpedosperrbatterien im europäischen Raum.pdf
As to my signature - you've got it :wink:

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Natter » 08 Jan 2011 18:53

Janef wrote:Here is my notes from Bundesarchiv on the matter. I seem to have omittet floating batteries outside Norway.
Landfeste Torpedosperrbatterien im europäischen Raum.pdf
As to my signature - you've got it :wink:
Thank you, great info! Welcome as well (I was confused by the flag :-) ).

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Jens Andersen » 09 Jan 2011 11:03

Hi JEF

Interesting list, but you seem to have overlooked the "Spinne"-batteries in Denmark.

They were:
Helsingør:
9 torpedoes in garages,
6 torpedoes in "Molenbatterie", attached to wooden pier,
4 torpedoes (at least) in "schwimmende Batterie", two Danish fishingboats
Strib (Lille Bælt): 12 torpedoes in bunkers
Fredericia (Lille Bælt): 6 torpedoes in bunkers.

Work started on the batteries in October 1944.

The pictures can be found on: http://foto.fak.dk/fotoweb/

Jens

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Jens Andersen » 09 Jan 2011 11:15

A few more photos.

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by jopaerya » 09 Jan 2011 17:33

Hello All

Are there any Spinne-torpedo batteries build or planned in Norway ??

Here a document about the the Spinne torpedo's , I know for sure there
were Spinne torpedo's at Vlissingen and Lorient , but there must be more .

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Re: Torpedo Bunkers in Norway

Post by Jens Andersen » 09 Jan 2011 18:26

Hi Jos

Some documents on "Spinne" found in BA-MA, OKM:

Skl. Adm. Qu IV K v. 21.10.44
Chef Skl. vorlegen
Betrifft: Landfeste Torpedo- bzw. Spinnebatterien
Bezüglich landfester Torpedosperrbatterien wird auf Mar.Rüst/T Wa Ia 4696/44 Gkdos. v. 14.10.44 hingewiesen

Spinne Batterien werden z.Zt. in nachstehenden Raumen zum Einsatz gebracht.

A) Raum Skagerrak
3 Wagenbatterien Raum Fredericia
4 Wagenbatterien Raum Stil [i.e. Strib]
3 Wagenbatterien Raum Helsingoer, Oersund
2 Molenbatterien ” ”
3 Schiffspinnen ”
Mit Einsatzbereitschaft ist voraussichtlich Anfang November 44

B) Raum Deutsche Bucht
3 Molenbatterien in Cuxhaven (Alte Liebe, Steubenhoeft, Osterhoeft)
2 Wagenbatterien auf Oldeooge
Einsatzbereitschaft voraussichtlich Ende November 44


OKM TWA II/1 1041/44 v. 30.3.44
Ob.d.M. orders 35 Spinne-Battr. each three torp. im Bereich Grp.West.


OKM TWA II/1 3311/44 v. 30.3.44
Erkundung Gr.West. je 15 Batt.Stellg. bis 15/5 bzw. 25/5 u. fuer 5 Battr.Stellg. bis 10/6.


Mar.Gr.West FüStab 2376 AI v. 25.4.44.
Für Scheldemündung u. Ber. Vlissingen-Breskens 4 Battr. vorges. Erkundung vorauss. 7.5. Anlief. Spinne nicht vor Anfang Juni.


Jens

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