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Post by Erik E » 28 Sep 2002 21:23

Hello!

In some German documents, a German coastal artillery unit supposedly had a "2,5cm PAK (r)" attached to their close-defence.......

25mm sounds a bit small for a Pak gun, so I was wondering if anyone here have heard about such a weapon being used by German forces??
If so, a photo would be veeeery interesting!

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Post by Antonio Pena » 28 Sep 2002 22:09

Trying to help.
German used two 2.5 cm antitank Guns, and all two of french origin the first is the "Canon leger de 25 antichar SA-L mle. 1934" (Light Gun 25 Antitank SA-L model 1934) and the "Canon leger de 25 antichar SA-L mle. 1937" . The first one was issued to the British Expeditionary Forces in France. After French collapse the two types where issued to garrison and coastal defence units, but mainly in France or in the Channel Islands.
So if the gun was discovered in Norway is a very rare event. Could you supply any photo?.
Ah Russians, as my best knowledge don't have guns of this calibre, they like great ones.

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Post by Erik E » 28 Sep 2002 22:29

Thanks for your input!

The information I have, comes directly from original German documents, so I think "2,5cm" must be right...... The (r) could wery well be an (f) becouse the writing is very weak. I do not have photo of the gun.....
During a "field research" this weekend, we found the emplacement for it and it looked very strange!
I guess the conclution you have is right, as another source also says that this was a french gun.
Btw the main armnament of the battery was also french 15,5cm K416 guns, and in a nearby ruin we actually found 8 original ammunition crates!

Have you got photos of these French AT guns???
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Post by Juha Tompuri » 28 Sep 2002 22:48

Antonio,
Our neigbours in the east actually did have guns of 25mm caliber. An AA-gun, the only one they had between 12,7mm and 37mm. It was not produced in very large numbers, so not so well known.
However, it`s much more likely that the guns in Norway were the French ones you mentioned. The Finnish nickname for the 2,5cm PAK(f) was "Marianne"(we too used it)

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Post by Antonio Pena » 29 Sep 2002 00:02

To Erik: I think that I have any photos, but they are from books, tomorrow morning I will scan them and put here.

Juha: we are speaking about WW2 era guns, and I don't know any Russian gun of that time in 2.5 cm calibre. From the 14.5 cm of his AT rifles to the 3.7 cm AT Gun I don't know any. Could you inform me about the gun (AA, I suppose) you know?

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Post by Aufklarung » 29 Sep 2002 02:08

Erik
I love it when you return from roaming your countyside. Nice photos. I haven't anything good on that gun but here is a reference you might like.
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http://www.wwiitech.net/main/france/wea ... ginotline/

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Post by A-Bomb » 29 Sep 2002 02:13

Wasthe 25mm full auto? Or single?

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Post by Aufklarung » 29 Sep 2002 03:01

Juha Tompuri wrote: The Finnish nickname for the 2,5cm PAK(f) was "Marianne"(we too used it)

JT


One of these guns?
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http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinAT/FINantitank.htm

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Post by Erik E » 29 Sep 2002 10:24

Thanks for your links and kind words, but what I really would like to see, is how the gun was attached to the mounting I posted above (first photo)

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 01 Oct 2002 22:15

aufklarung,
Yes, 25PstK/37="Marianne"

Mr Pena,
Thank you for your polite reply.
It proved I was right menioning the 25mmAA gun to be "not very well known".
I have "learnt" from the 25mm AA gun mod40(?) from several sources: finnish col/ ltn.col Ahti Lappi wrotes about it in his book "Ilmatojunta Taistelee"(?) =AAA Fights. Unfortunately I dont have the book, and I didn`t found it at local library. The other sources are my own eyes: last spring I visited the artillery (-engieer-signal corps) museum at St. Petersburg, and saw the gun.
Now more new info to you: between 14,5 and 37mm the russians also had 20 and 23mm automatic guns, mainly used in aircrafts.
Finally, let`s not disturb more Eriks research: I open a new post about this subject at the Equipment site.

JT

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